A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis

Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by tptacek on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @04:01PM (#35632621)

The Collective Action Problem. Locals have a concentrated interest in preventing development. The broader public's interest in there being housing outweighs that, but it's diffuse. You see the same thing play out over and over again in cities around the world: it's so much easier to organize opposition to housing than support that no housing gets built.

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by Eumenes on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @04:28PM (#35632917)

Sounds good to me. I don't really care for the masses/others.

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by BirdieNZ on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @04:51PM (#35633179)

Just take this a step further, bring "local" all the way down to "the person who owns the land". Let the locals decide what to do on the land they own. If they want an apartment, or a store, or a giant mansion in the middle of 20 acres, as long as they own the land let them do it! They're the most local individual, right?

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by Eumenes on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @06:17PM (#35634029)

I'd rather just manipulate zoning laws to prohibit soviet style apartment blocks from appearing in my little slice of heaven

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by tptacek on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @06:18PM (#35634036)

To a US suburban resident in a single-family lot, any apartment building is a Soviet-style apartment block.

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by smcl on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @07:23PM (#35634560)

In any HN discussion on housing there is inevitably a couple of people acting like you’re trying to build a krushchevka on their lawn. It’s like if we pretended all detached housing was like the infamous “groverhaus”[0]. The user you’re replying to appears to be getting a kick out of trolling as a NIMBY, slightly odd but it takes all sorts I suppose.

[0] - best source is unfortunately knowyourmeme @ https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/groverhaus the phrase “load-bearing dry wall” appears

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by tptacek on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @08:00PM (#35634800)

I mean, I spend a lot of time discussing this stuff with actual local development opponents, so arguments like these in the abstract just aren't that aggravating. I'm often happy for people to mount the most superficial arguments against things I believe in; might as well lay the flimsiness of the opposition out clearly.

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by Eumenes on Thursday April 20, 2023 @07:14AM (#35638420)

Do you have any tips for a NIMBY that may help me stop/slow-down/impede local development? Even delaying for a day is worth the time to me.

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by tptacek on Thursday April 20, 2023 @10:10AM (#35640216)

Honestly, step 1 would be to stop writing stuff like this.

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by Eumenes on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:08AM (#35641296)

This is my flavor of activism. FWIW, I've participated in activism to stop destruction of green space and nature preserves from commercial interests. Stopping the expansion of urban sprawl, mcdonalds and walmart, and destruction of greenery (whether it be housing or a self storage business) is something I'm passionate about.

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by tptacek on Thursday April 20, 2023 @11:37AM (#35641735)

I couldn't ask for a better opponent, so thank you for that.

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by scatters on Wednesday April 19, 2023 @11:08PM (#35635913)

If you don't want an apartment block on your lot, you don't have to build one! But if your neighbor wants to build one, what moral right do you have to stop them?

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Re:A Simple and Elegant Response to Ireland's Housing Crisis by Eumenes on Thursday April 20, 2023 @07:12AM (#35638409)

I dont' care about morals, I care about legality, and if there are legal means to stop such projects, I pursue them with full force.

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