Google in shock as Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

Re:Google in shock as Samsung considers moving to Bing as de... by time_to_smile on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:36AM (#35602339)

Good product people have always been visionary, lead by a strong sense of design and understanding of how to meet the user needs.

Product Managers are the modern day bureaucrats created to reduce the individual impact on product and make PMs hot swappable like engineers (who I also think are better when they they have the aforementioned skills).

Google should be considered in object lesson in the problems of trying to bureaucratize product creation.

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Re:Google in shock as Samsung considers moving to Bing as de... by jack_riminton on Monday April 17, 2023 @02:25PM (#35604534)

This nails it (I used to be a PM, now I'm an engineer) The PMs job has become so much about process, that any 'product sense' is completely disregarded because it can't be measured objectively.

Truly great products e.g. the original iPhone, rarely have PMs

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Re:Google in shock as Samsung considers moving to Bing as de... by marcosdumay on Monday April 17, 2023 @03:12PM (#35605142)

The original iPhone did very clearly and famously have a product manager. It was the same person that was also responsible to paper of CEO.

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Re:Google in shock as Samsung considers moving to Bing as de... by jack_riminton on Monday April 17, 2023 @05:40PM (#35606986)

Ken Kocienda one of the first engineers working on the iPhone disagrees with you on that https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1529521111104299008?s=20

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