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Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by rqtwteye on Sunday April 16, 2023 @07:01PM (#35594999)
" America operates on the principal that it is better to fail quickly and rebuild than it is to defend what’s not working to preserve the status quo for as long as possible."

The US is also willing to neglect and disenfranchise significant portions of the population and let them live in poverty, homelessness and ghettos. When you walk around SF, LA or New York it's astounding that you have super rich people live next to destitute people but the rich are perfectly fine with this as long as they can have their nice houses and neighborhoods. Or that there are significant part of the population who can't get meaningful healthcare.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by boc on Sunday April 16, 2023 @11:01PM (#35596419)
When you say “significant portions of the population” and then reference a segment of society that could collectively all fit inside one college football stadium, it feels like hyperbole.

Despite what you read online, the amount of Americans who see unsheltered homeless on a daily basis is very low.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by erodommoc on Sunday April 16, 2023 @11:31PM (#35596584)
Off by over 5x:

- The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) today released its 2022 Annual Homeless Assessment Report (AHAR) Part 1 to Congress. The report found 582,462 people were experiencing homelessness on a single night in January 2022 (https://www.hud.gov/press/press_releases_media_advisories/HU...)

- Largest college football stadium: Michigan Stadium (Ann Arbor, Mich.) 107,601 (https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2018-07-30/25-big...)

- The population of Baltimore, MD is 576,498 as of the last census, so would be a closer point of comparison.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by boc on Monday April 17, 2023 @12:01PM (#35602676)
Experiencing homelessness for one night is very different than the chronic homelessness which people are picturing. That second population is much smaller and way more visible.
Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by bugglebeetle on Sunday April 16, 2023 @11:33PM (#35596591)
What’s your source for this claim? Something like 80% of Americans live in an urban setting. In no large city that I’ve ever been in can you go a day without seeing homeless people, unless you work from home and order all your food from an app.
Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by JohnBooty on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:42AM (#35597195)
Forgive the nitpick, but absolutely nowhere near 80% of Americans are encountering homeless on a regular basis. Homelessness in particular and inequality in general are major problems! I don't mean to sweep that under the rug! However, I don't think it's true that anywhere near a majority of Americans encounter homeless people on a daily basis.

    Something like 80% of Americans live in an urban setting
Yes, for the Census Bureau's particular and extremely loose definition of "urban" which includes what anybody in America would call "suburbs" and even a lot of places people would call "rural": https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publicatio...

The key TL;DR determination factor (there are others, read for yourself) is this:

    In order for a block to qualify as urban, it must have a den-
    sity of 1,000 people per square mile (ppsm).
That is not a lot. I live in a very stereotypical suburb (everybody has a driveway, and a small yard) and population density here is like 8,000 people per square mile... nobody would call this place urban besides the Census Bureau. (For reference, NYC's population density is 26,403 per square mile)

I don't think I've ever seen a homeless person outside a major city... you just don't see it in suburbs or rural areas.

Again, major problem, it's just that most Americans don't see it on a regular basis... which perhaps is part of the root of the problem. Makes it easy to ignore.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by bugglebeetle on Monday April 17, 2023 @02:47AM (#35597488)
I just looked up the math and this is probably right. It looks like 1 in 3 Americans live in a city of >100K people, which, again, just in my experience, is where you’d be hard pressed to not encounter a homeless person. This however probably skews higher when we factor in things like working age adults vs the total population.
Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by bobthepanda on Monday April 17, 2023 @03:39AM (#35597804)
If you are American, live and work in the suburbs, it is fairly easy to avoid homelessness from the inside of a personal vehicle.
Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by JohnBooty on Monday April 17, 2023 @11:51AM (#35602536)
Even within large cities that have many homeless people, the homeless are not evenly distributed. Police often keep them out of "desirable" shopping and business areas, and homeless often cluster in camps.

I'm most familiar with Philadelphia where you'll either see multiple homeless people every day... or rarely. Depends on where you live and work. Every other city I've been to in my life seems similar.

Anyway, I don't want to get too far in the weeds with my nitpickery. I don't even remember what we were originally talking about!

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by pb7 on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:56AM (#35597250)
They’re just better hidden in Europe: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_...

Instead of being in the middle of the city, there are entire tent metropolises hidden in the woods in Berlin.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by pb7 on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:52AM (#35597239)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_...

The US is below most of Europe per capita in homelessness.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by dv_dt on Monday April 17, 2023 @02:12AM (#35597325)
I don't think the definitions quite line up. When you look at the linked definition for https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_France for example, it says: "Homelessness in France is a significant social issue that is estimated to affect around 300,000 people - a figure that has doubled since 2012 (141,500) and tripled since 2001 (93,000). Around 185,000 people are currently staying in shelters, some 100,000 are in temporary housing for people seeking asylum and 16,000 live in slums." This is very different than the homeless living out on the streets of so many major American cities.

Reading the , the stat on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_... for the US is ~500k, while the page linked in the table, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_S..., starts with "In the United States, the number of homeless people varies from different federal government accounts. In 2014, approximately 1.5 million sheltered homeless people were counted." so the higher ~1.5M would seem to correspond to the definition for number reported in the table from France.