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Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by mikepurvis on Sunday April 16, 2023 @01:06PM (#35591871)
I think “winning” really depends on your criteria for success. Maybe it’s winning on overall metrics like GDP, but on an individual level, the story is far less clear.

Like, is it winning to have the option of starting a company that produces generational wealth for yourself, while living in a city unable to solve its homelessness problem? Is it winning to be a 1%-er but have no safety net so that you're always precarious, at risk of being wiped out by factors you have no control over? Is it winning to have a school system so dysfunctional that you send your kids to private schools that most of your neighbors can't afford?

I expect that from a perspective that prioritizes stability, safety, and sustainability, a model where it's hard to be fired and companies are encouraged to take long term responsibility for their employees (and therefore grow slowly) makes a lot of sense.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by Gareth321 on Sunday April 16, 2023 @01:40PM (#35592333)
> I think “winning” really depends on your criteria for success. Maybe it’s winning on overall metrics like GDP, but on an individual level, the story is far less clear.

This is an excellent point. America does an exceptional job of making rich people richer, but it also ranks poorly in many quality of life metrics. It is now #25 on the social progress index (https://www.socialprogress.org/). If people are richer but their children are more likely to die in child birth (U.S. ranks #50), or be murdered (U.S. ranks #137 in homicide), is that really better?

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by nemo44x on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:43PM (#35594904)
Those stats are laughable though and don’t apply to the types of people who read those types of stats or come to this type of website. If you have your shit together and are willing to learn and apply yourself, the USA is an unbelievable place. If you’re not then it’s going to be more painful.

My point is the USA has a very different distribution that’s relevant.

As for a “social progress index”, who cares whatever that made up thing is. How about a better indicator like how many millions of people are lined up trying to live here? I think that’s a better measurement.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by brewdad on Sunday April 16, 2023 @07:23PM (#35595094)
You can build an amazing life for yourself in the US and yet be one medical crisis away from ruin. I wish you well but you appear to lack empathy for those who did everything “right” but were dealt a crap hand by fate or circumstances out of their control.
Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by nemo44x on Sunday April 16, 2023 @07:31PM (#35595152)
The parent was talking about dying during child berth and homicide rates. You are completely changing the topic now.

Our system isn’t perfect and some people have had unfortunate luck by not having insurance when a medical emergency came up. But that has nothing to do with what the conversation was.

Re:The lessons from America’s astonishing economic record by 1123581321 on Monday April 17, 2023 @01:06AM (#35597031)
Your perspective sounds overly mired in tech and San Francisco issues. For most of the country geographically, it’s good to be able to make a business because you can make money doing something useful for other people, create jobs for others. By doing so you improve and create further opportunities for your community, and your taxes pay for the safety nets (that do exist) and decent schools, and you and your employees can be philanthropic on top of that, which is fairly common.

Building quickly and creating good, reliable jobs don’t have to conflict.