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Re:Investigating and preventing scientific misconduct with B... by ano-ther on Sunday April 16, 2023 @04:45AM (#35588306)
For elections, the test should be with the second digit, not the first.

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford's_law > Benford's law has also been misapplied to claim election fraud. When applying the law to Joe Biden's election returns for Chicago, Milwaukee, and other localities in the 2020 United States presidential election, the distribution of the first digit did not follow Benford's law. The misapplication was a result of looking at data that was tightly bound in range, which violates the assumption inherent in Benford's law that the range of the data be large. The first digit test was applied to precinct-level data, but because precincts rarely receive more than a few thousand votes or fewer than several dozen, Benford's law cannot be expected to apply. According to Mebane, "It is widely understood that the first digits of precinct vote counts are not useful for trying to diagnose election frauds."

The other examples on this page used the second digit for their election analysis.

Re:Investigating and preventing scientific misconduct with B... by peepeepoopoo3 on Sunday April 16, 2023 @05:00AM (#35588370)
Except the other digits failed too.
Re:Investigating and preventing scientific misconduct with B... by maxbond on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:05AM (#35588669)
They are quoting from the Wikipedia article you yourself suggested. You are free to suggest another source.

Wikipedia cites this article:

https://physicsworld.com/a/benfords-law-and-the-2020-us-pres...

> In a working paper published on 10 November, Mebane looks deeper at the US election data using a 2BL test, based on the second digits and Benford’s law digit probabilities, along with other statistical tools.

> The bottom line: there are no signs of irregularity in the officially declared precinct vote counts data from Fulton County, GA, Allegheny County, PA, Milwaukee, WI, and Chicago, IL, as some have claimed.

That article cites this paper:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~wmebane/inapB.pdf

> The vote counts from the four jurisdictions are not final, so one should treat them cautiously. Nonetheless preliminary analysis shows little that suggests there are problems.

Presumably a more up to date source exists now that the votes are finalized (there's an interesting paper from MITRE you may want to look at, though it doesn't use 2BL). The Mebane paper also has a link to the data they used on GitHub if you'd like to see for yourself (and all the papers say they downloaded it from the Secretary of State websites of each state, so presumably you could do that too if you didn't trust this random GitHub).

Re:Investigating and preventing scientific misconduct with B... by pclmulqdq on Sunday April 16, 2023 @10:05AM (#35590137)
I remember from an election fraud class in college that the best digits to check on vote counts (particularly in places like Russia) are actually the trailing digits, which should be uniformly distributed. Apparently eastern European fraudsters at this point are sophisticated enough (and have enough leeway to fudge the vote counts) that they can get past checks based on Benford's law, but they are usually too lazy to whiten the trailing digits of their fake numbers.

I was curious about 2020 after the pop science emerged and checked all of these precincts' trailing digits (as well as a few other statistics), and they looked totally fine.

Re:Investigating and preventing scientific misconduct with B... by MrJohz on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:07AM (#35588673)
Matt Parker did a good video with lots of visuals to explain why Benford's Law works in general, but why it cannot always be simply applied to election results.

https://youtu.be/etx0k1nLn78