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Re:Google CEO: “can we change the setting of this group to h... by kyrra on Sunday April 16, 2023 @12:28AM (#35587284)
In-person and video/audio/phone conversations do not have the same requirements. What makes text chat that is meant to be ephemeral to be different than an in person chat?
Re:Google CEO: “can we change the setting of this group to h... by Spivak on Sunday April 16, 2023 @12:58AM (#35587400)
I'm kinda sympathetic to Google in this case because the law makes it basically impossible to communicate with writing in a way that doesn't leave a paper trail. Messages being at minimum temporarily stored so you can read them is inherent to the medium.

It does seem reasonable that there should be some way, (outlined by the courts) to ephemerally text that gives it the same protections as an unrecorded phone call. Because in a world where it's not the 60s and business is done over text instead of phones we lost a lot of privacy with no change in the law itself.

Re:Google CEO: “can we change the setting of this group to h... by hgsgm on Sunday April 16, 2023 @07:24AM (#35589057)
It's the reverse. Phone calls and in person are loopholes that the government doesn't have a way to force recording of. Fundamentally, the law is paradoxical. Freedom is in tension with law enforcement.
Re:Google CEO: “can we change the setting of this group to h... by jzb on Sunday April 16, 2023 @07:52AM (#35589193)
What’s amazing to me is that they didn’t just use a phone call or video chat.
Re:Google CEO: “can we change the setting of this group to h... by aix1 on Sunday April 16, 2023 @08:37AM (#35589501)
> What’s amazing to me is that they didn’t just use a phone call or video chat.

I don't know anything about these specific conversations, but one obvious difference between phone/video and chat is that the former has to synchronous whereas the latter can be async.

Async can be more practical people who are very busy, are travelling, are located in different timezones etc.

Re:Google CEO: “can we change the setting of this group to h... by CydeWeys on Monday April 17, 2023 @10:41AM (#35601451)
> What makes text chat that is meant to be ephemeral to be different than an in person chat?

It's not inherently ephemeral though. You can add deletion rules on top of that to try to pretend that it is, but the courts see right through that.

I'm struggling to think of any text-based communications that are inherently ephemeral. Generally anything committed to text is long lasting, and has always been (way pre-computer era).