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Re:Animal Sex Determination Is Weirder Than You Think by rayiner on Friday April 14, 2023 @04:35PM (#35574389)
What you characterize as the “more extreme leftist interpretation” is actually the more conservative view. You can get most conservatives on board with creating exceptions to social norms for biologically-rooted differences. Acceptance of same-sex marriage increased dramatically after the push in the 1990s and 2000s to educate the public that people are “born that way.” “Scientific determinism” is actually the lynchpin of the broad acceptance of same-sex marriage today.

By contrast, what you call the “mainstream liberal interpretation” is actually the radical position. It rejects society’s right and prerogative to impose norms and regulate voluntary self-expression. What generates concerted opposition from conservatives and moderates is the feeling that liberals are using sexual minorities as a vehicle for loosening restrictions on voluntary behavior.

You’re correct the two positions lead to the “same” outcome—but only initially. Eventually, a conflict arises between liberals, who want sanction for a broader range of voluntary self expression, and gay or trans people, who often simply want to fit in as best as they are able. You’re seeing that conflict of interest play out right now. Bostock, which granted equal civil rights to trans people, was immediately accepted by the majority of conservatives. That caused liberals to pivot to causes like drag shows involving voluntary non-conformance, which generated immediate backlash and opposition. For the reasons you explain, liberals can’t tell the difference—to them, it’s self expression, whether it’s voluntary or biologically rooted. But to everyone else that makes a huge difference.

Re:Animal Sex Determination Is Weirder Than You Think by swalling on Friday April 14, 2023 @06:10PM (#35575458)
It's almost LOL wrong to state that conservatives have gladly accepted that trans people are entitled to full and equal treatment under the law. Just one Tucker Carlson clip (https://www.foxnews.com/video/6324164359112) shows how American conservatives are completely frothing at the mouth over the existence of transgender people.

There is a huge wave of anti-trans laws being pushed through by conservative elected officials at the state level right now. They're specifically attacking trans children and school policy, as the soft underbelly that gets conservative parents riled up for a culture war and which is legally more vulnerable.

Re:Animal Sex Determination Is Weirder Than You Think by rayiner on Friday April 14, 2023 @07:25PM (#35576128)
You don’t have to read tea leaves: https://www.kff.org/other/press-release/poll-large-majoritie... (“In each case, large majorities across partisan lines, including more than 7 in 10 Republicans, think such discrimination against LGBTQ people should be illegal.”). That’s from 2020. Does it make sense that the majority of conservatives are upset about “the existence of transgender people” but somehow support making it illegal to discriminate against them?

The culture war came later, when liberals tried to use trans people to promote their own view—which you aptly characterized above—that people should be allowed to express themselves free from traditional social norms and roles. Liberals rushed to promote things like drag shows, which have nothing to do with trans people, and everything to do with voluntary self expression. As RuPaul (a cis man) put it: “Drag says 'I'm a shapeshifter, I do whatever the hell I want at any given time.’” That liberalism is what has “conservative parents riled up for a culture war,” when they mostly didn’t bat an eye at actual advances in trans rights.

Re:Animal Sex Determination Is Weirder Than You Think by swalling on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:28PM (#35576479)
Yeah unfortunately for conservatives, the annals of history are generally a story of culture evolving more rapidly than traditionalists are comfortable with. We happen to live in a country where the core Constitutional answer to that problem can best be summarized as: tough shit, get used to it. You can move to Saudi Arabia if you want to live in a traditionalist autocracy that will protect you from the horrors of drag brunch.