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Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by sebastialonso on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:58AM (#35569643)
We learned this in Chile as well, Oceania is as Asia is as America. Also that no country is at the same time a continent. Are Aussies taught that their country is the actual continent?
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by xiande04 on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:12AM (#35569786)
We were taught that Australia is a continent in the US as well. But then again, Americans are not known for their knowledge of geography...
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by kube-system on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:53AM (#35570216)
I was taught both in the US. The content taught in US schools varies by locale.
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by Clamchop on Friday April 14, 2023 @02:13PM (#35572762)
Pretty sure even Americans know of islands and continents, even if they bin them differently. The distinction is fundamentally arbitrary...
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by xiande04 on Friday April 14, 2023 @04:16PM (#35574166)
Okay. If you think that, go ask a random American to point to Oceania on a map. Report back to me when you do. :)
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by Clamchop on Friday April 14, 2023 @04:51PM (#35574577)
Different goalpost. :) :) :)
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by xiande04 on Monday April 17, 2023 @12:32PM (#35603122)
Not really. If an American doesn't know where Oceania is (and they likely don't), then they are left to assume that Australia is the continent, not an island.

Hence, I was providing a counter-example to your dubious claim that "Americans know of islands and continents". Come to think of it... what do you even mean by that? What does it mean to "know of islands and continents"?

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by throwaway894345 on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:10AM (#35569758)
> Also that no country is at the same time a continent

Can a continent have the same name as a country?

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by frosted-flakes on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:41AM (#35570072)
Sure, Australia the continent and country have the same name.
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by coutego on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:15AM (#35570464)
Yes. America.

I know, I know. English speaking countries refer to the continent as "the Americas" rather than America, as the rest of the planet does but, then, the rest of the planet refers to the "United States of America" as the "US" and (normally) not as "America" .

Now seriously, America is a given name for the whole continent (with Noth America and South America as its two subcontinents) and was never meant to be used as the name of any one of its 35 countries.

Many in the EU are often doing the same chauvinistic thing, refering to themselves as "Europe" forgetting that there are 23 European countries that are not part of the EU. That case is slightly (just slightly) less annoying because at least is 27 EU European countries vs 23 non EU European countries, so at least they can claim to be the majority of countries. US case is one country vs. 34, so objectively even more absurd.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by mixmastamyk on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:34AM (#35570707)
Synecdoche is relatively common:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by throwaway894345 on Friday April 14, 2023 @11:59AM (#35571013)
This comment seems confused. In English, "the Americas" isn't a continent nor are North America and South America "sub-continents"; rather, North America is a continent, South America is a continent, "the Americas" refers unambiguously to the collection of both continents, and "America" refers unambiguously to the United States of America (and "American" refers unambiguously to a US citizen). The only chauvinism occurs when speakers of other languages insist that the English language adopt their model of continents and the corresponding toponyms and demonyms (for example, many Spanish speakers use "Americano" to refer to inhabitants of the Americas, and since that word looks like "American" in English, many of these Spanish speakers believe English speakers should modify the meaning of "American" to mirror their "Americano").

Using "Europe" to refer to the EU member states in English is different because "Europe" in English traditionally refers to the entire continent and referring to the EU as "Europe" introduces ambiguity. I don't think this ambiguity is a significant problem and I wouldn't call it "chauvinism" but perhaps I could be convinced otherwise.

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by lhorie on Friday April 14, 2023 @12:41PM (#35571552)
> "America" refers unambiguously to the United States of America

When people say "Columbus discovered America", it most certainly is referring to the entire landmass and surrounding islands (he technically landed in the Bahamas).

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by throwaway894345 on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:34PM (#35572251)
That seems likely to be a vestige and not emblematic of a general pattern.
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by msm_ on Friday April 14, 2023 @03:51PM (#35573866)
By the way, one thing I always wondered? Are Canadians annoyed by that usage, or more or less accepted that they're not "American" in English? (I would especially appreciate if a Canadian shared their thoughts about this)
Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by lhorie on Friday April 14, 2023 @05:51PM (#35575267)
(I'm a canadian citizen, born in South America)

My two cents is US people are the ones who have an unusual take on the word "America". Outside the US, it's not very idiomatic to call the country "America", or even "USA". "US" is more common (and in both Spanish and Portuguese, it's almost always called "Estados Unidos").

The term "american" is mainstream both in Canada and elsewhere. I imagine that's probably at least partly a function of "unitedstatesman" being too much of a mouthful. (BTW, if you think that's a ridiculous word, in portuguese "estadounidense" is an actual word, albeit with a connotation of being something a "woke" person might say).

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by coutego on Friday April 14, 2023 @03:39PM (#35573741)
That's what I wrote, that in English speaking countries you refer to the whole continent as "the Americas".

The name "America", though, was given to the whole "New World", which is what we now call "America", the continent. British started using the name just for what is now the US, so in English speaking countries, the usage is different nowdays. In other countries "America" continues to be used for the whole continent (it is still considered one conti nent, not two).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerigo_Vespucci https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by coutego on Friday April 14, 2023 @03:52PM (#35573875)
> many Spanish speakers use "Americano" to refer to inhabitants of the Americas, and since that word looks like "American" in English, many of these Spanish speakers believe English speakers should modify the meaning of "American" to mirror their "Americano"

Spanish speakers, or, rather, the Crown of Castille created the word "America" and "americanos" to refer to the new continent and their people. English speakers adopted the same word, but with a different meaning.

Not saying that it's wrong for US people to refer to their country by anh word that they chose. They are free to do so. But it is useful, I think, to understand that people for other countries of America, who call themselves "americanos" because that's what they are, can be surprised to be told they are not "Americans", even though they are "americanos". I guess it's confusing for them, at the very least.

Just imagine that Colombians started to call their country "America" and when you went there they would insist that you are not American ("americano"). I guess you would not be amused. I don't know.

I'm not "americano", but European, so it doesn't really affect me. Just trying to give some context to better understand others. Peace! :-)

Re:Largest island in a lake on an island in a lake on an island by CRConrad on Tuesday April 18, 2023 @11:39AM (#35615474)
> Also that no country is at the same time a continent.

Weird. Why not?

> Are Aussies taught that their country is the actual continent?

Why shouldn't they be, when it obviously is? I think most of the world, not just Aussies, learn that in school.