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Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by leroy-is-here on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:16AM (#35568654)
We are not our thoughts. We are not the thinking machines in our heads. We control our thoughts, so we are more than them.

These machines are merely thinking machines.

Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by goodmunky on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:31AM (#35568792)
More than thoughts certainly, but don’t be so sure we control our thoughts. There is a lot of subconscious thinking machinery doing the driving. See Master and his Emissary, https://channelmcgilchrist.com/master-and-his-emissary/#:~:t...
Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by leroy-is-here on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:39AM (#35568857)
Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by elif on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:39AM (#35568856)
I believe my cat is merely a thinking machine by your definition.
Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by leroy-is-here on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:41AM (#35568880)
No, cats have souls. But they certainly have thinning machines.
Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by elif on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:46AM (#35568935)
I believe your ontology is a naively inconsistent overessentialization of miraculous paradoxes that have confounded human thinkers since prehistory.
Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by leroy-is-here on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:49AM (#35568965)
I’m trying to show you something miraculous. It simply involves understanding that you are not your thoughts.
Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by elif on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:37AM (#35569438)
A simple linguistic ontology is one of the most perverse, heuristic patterns of thought.

A rock is also more than it's thoughts, and retains some degree of consciousness. Imagining concepts like souls as a sort of litmus test for consciousness only serves to reinforce a thought-based comprehension.

Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by leroy-is-here on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:51AM (#35569569)
I'm asking you to stop arguing inside "simple linguistic ontology".
Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by mythrwy on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:02AM (#35569115)
Who is this "we" you are referring to?

In other words, when I control my thoughts, what is doing the controlling?

(see George Gurdjieff's philosophy which speaks to this issue of the `mechanical vs the conscious`, but please don't run off and join a crazy cult and ruin your life).

Re:Choose Your Weapon: Survival Strategies for Depressed AI ... by leroy-is-here on Friday April 14, 2023 @09:05AM (#35569154)
When I say “we”, I mean each of us. You control your thoughts. You are the doing because you choose the thought to act on.