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Re:Requiem for a Great Cat by bravura on Friday April 14, 2023 @01:38AM (#35565882)
The Naming of Cats

T. S. Eliot, 1939

  The Naming of Cats is a difficult matter,
       It isn’t just one of your holiday games;
  You may think at first I’m as mad as a hatter
  When I tell you, a cat must have THREE DIFFERENT NAMES.
  First of all, there’s the name that the family use daily,
       Such as Peter, Augustus, Alonzo, or James,
  Such as Victor or Jonathan, George or Bill Bailey—
       All of them sensible everyday names.
  There are fancier names if you think they sound sweeter,
       Some for the gentlemen, some for the dames:
  Such as Plato, Admetus, Electra, Demeter—
       But all of them sensible everyday names,
  But I tell you, a cat needs a name that’s particular,
       A name that’s peculiar, and more dignified,
  Else how can he keep up his tail perpendicular,
       Or spread out his whiskers, or cherish his pride?
  Of names of this kind, I can give you a quorum,
       Such as Munkustrap, Quaxo, or Coricopat,
  Such as Bombalurina, or else Jellylorum—
       Names that never belong to more than one cat.
  But above and beyond there’s still one name left over,
       And that is the name that you never will guess;
  The name that no human research can discover—
       But THE CAT HIMSELF KNOWS, and will never confess.
  When you notice a cat in profound meditation,
       The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
  His mind is engaged in a rapt contemplation
       Of the thought, of the thought, of the thought of his name:
            His ineffable effable
            Effanineffable
  Deep and inscrutable singular name.
Re:Requiem for a Great Cat by thecupisblue on Friday April 14, 2023 @05:41AM (#35567377)
Related - internet working group RFC, the naming of hosts (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2100.html):

    The Naming of Hosts is a difficult matter,
        It isn't just one of your holiday games;
    You may think at first I'm as mad as a hatter
        When I tell you, a host must have THREE DIFFERENT NAMES.

    First of all, there's the name that the users use daily,
        Such as venus, athena, and cisco, and ames,
    Such as titan or sirius, hobbes or europa--
        All of them sensible everyday names.

    There are fancier names if you think they sound sweeter,
        Some for the web pages, some for the flames:
    Such as mercury, phoenix, orion, and charon--
        But all of them sensible everyday names.

    But I tell you, a host needs a name that's particular,
        A name that's peculiar, and more dignified,
    Else how can it keep its home page perpendicular,
        And spread out its data, send pages world wide?

    Of names of this kind, I can give you a quorum,
        Like lothlorien, pothole, or kobyashi-maru,
    Such as pearly-gates.vatican, or else diplomatic-
        Names that never belong to more than one host.

    But above and beyond there's still one name left over,
        And that is the name that you never will guess;
    The name that no human research can discover--
        But THE NAMESERVER KNOWS, and will us'ually confess.

    When you notice a client in rapt meditation,
        The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
    The code is engaged in a deep consultation
        On the address, the address, the address of its name:

                It's ineffable,
                effable,
                Effanineffable,
                Deep and inscrutable,
                singular
                Name.
Re:Requiem for a Great Cat by swader999 on Friday April 14, 2023 @08:36AM (#35568842)
Steve French.
Re:Requiem for a Great Cat by agentwiggles on Friday April 14, 2023 @10:13AM (#35569792)
I've always loved the mysticism around the Names of things. It shows up in fantasy magic systems, it shows up in religious texts, it shows up in political discourse, it shows up in just about any decent programming text.

Because we recognize, as creatures of language, that names have real, true power. There is something so magical and cool about the act of assigning a name to anything, it shapes the way we think about that thing.

In some of my favorite stories, finding somethings "True Name" gives you some form of power over it. That combination of sounds and syllables that lets you grasp something's essence, understand it, hold a whole abstraction in your mind at once - of course that would be something of great power!

I also love the correspondence to mathematics. Think of Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism for an example, or the long quest for a "Unified Theory of Physics". Maybe names need not be words, exactly. Maybe names can be equations, or snippets of music, or any other lossless compression of some deep concept - where, by knowing the name, you gain an understanding of the whole of something without losing anything in the reduction.

Anyway, spiritual mystical hokey pokey mumbo jumbo, I know - but certainly fun to think about!

Re:Requiem for a Great Cat by petemir on Sunday April 16, 2023 @05:46PM (#35594565)
If you didn’t read it yet, you are going to love “A wizard of Earthsea”.

Edit: but you seem like you did.

Re:Requiem for a Great Cat by agentwiggles on Sunday April 16, 2023 @05:54PM (#35594621)
I have not, actually, it's been floating around on my to-read list for ages. This trope is all over the place, but the main examples that were floating in my brain when I wrote this comment were The Name of The Wind and Unsong. I should really give Earthsea a read, been meaning to for a long time.
Re:Requiem for a Great Cat by petemir on Sunday April 16, 2023 @06:47PM (#35594920)
That’s great—now I have two more books on my list! :)
Re:Requiem for a Great Cat by agentwiggles on Sunday April 16, 2023 @09:16PM (#35595759)
The Name of the Wind I really enjoyed, but be warned - it's part of a trilogy, and the second book was released 12 years ago. News on the supposedly forthcoming third has been sparse, and it seems quite possible that the trilogy won't be finished.

Unsong is a very idiosyncratic web serial novel by Scott Alexander (the Slate Star Codex/ Astral Codex Ten guy). It's a weird mixture of religion, sci fi, fantasy, comedy, and probably some other genres too. It's among my favorite things I've read, but due to the weirdness might not be for everyone. Still I think most of the HN crowd would appreciate it, it's truly special in my opinion