Compiling lists of suspected homosexuals. Interesting. Another famous phrase from literature comes to mind, "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

"Suspected homosexuals" and proven hypocrites who hurt LGBT people with their rhetoric and actions are two vastly different things. Precision is important.

No, it is the very same thing in the case of this list. Precision is important.

Protesting that one's cause is noble would be missing the point of the quote entirely. Everybody who has ever made lists thought they were doing it for a worthy cause.

They are not suspected to, they have been caught in consensual acts, they were caught red handed to be hypocrites.

A gay person isn't a hypocrite for being gay, a gay person condemning and harming other gay people is a hypocrite.

And I suppose those who harm gay people by bullying them and publicly shaming them deserve everything that's coming to them, especially if they're doing from a hypocritical and misguided delusion of righteousness...

Again missing the point. It isn't a challenge to defend oneself, it's an invitation to reflect. Less talking, more thinking.

Again completely missing the point, nobody is bullying them because they are gay, nor are they being bullied.

They are facing the consequences of purposefully breaking the social contract by harming LGBT people.

> Again completely missing the point, nobody is bullying them because they are gay, nor are they being bullied.

That's not what the list says.

so why aren’t my gay friends on that list?

After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there.

Presumably because their behavior does not breach what the list maker deems acceptable.

> After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there.

I don't know what you mean. That's not a gotcha.

> Presumably because their behavior does not breach what the list maker deems acceptable.

So it’s not because they are gay, it’s their behaviour.

I am glad we finally agreed though I am sad we had to spend as many steps to reach this conclusion.

Ah, a dim light is starting to flicker.

These lists aren't about homosexuality (or communism or adulterers or whatever), it's about attacking ideological and political opposition. The list makers never include "transgressions" of people aligned with them on their lists. If they can bully and intimidate their opponents about their sexuality they'll do that, if not they'll find something else. That's how these things work.

So I refer you back to Nietzsche.

You seem to have confused your insults and arrogance for insight.

There's no ideology involved, only breaking the social contract and hurting others.

I'd refer you to Scanlon.

Always funny to hear people making lists of minorities and undesirables defend themselves. None of what you're coming up with is new.

It's not a list of minorities, it's also not a list of undesirables.

Listing the actions of individuals has no inherent morality. The morality of the actions is decided by the broader society.

You keep painting them as victims when the list is only outlining their actions. If you have done no harm, you have nothing to fear.

That's great, you keep saving the world one list of homosexuals at a time.

The amount of strawmans and insults you have thrown should have been your wake-up call.

As far as I am concerned, you are just another hypocrite, no different to the people in the list and this conversation is not worth it.

Again, read up on contractualism.

Your point is misdirection.

What do you think my point is, and what is it "misdirecting" from?

But "compiling lists" is good, or at least neutral, right? Where would mankind be if we weren't allowed to compile lists?

You can't remove all the context from an action and claim the general case and the specific case are identical. That's like saying "Punching is just swinging my arm; you can't arrest me for swinging my arm!"

Wow what a zinger, you really made a great point there. Guess it's okay to compile lists of suspected homosexuals when you put it that way. Good one.