> Still don’t like the guy but there’s the old adage

Interestingly, Juan Domingo Peron's version of that adage was "For our friends, everything. For our enemies, not even justice." I'm not sure which one is worse, but they are certainly both evocative.

> If $TSLA plummets a crazy amount the tables may turn

It depends. What happened here is that Holmes screwed over peers, and not just consumers. I don't think anything will happen to $TSLA's CEO unless except through malice aimed at his peers that affects their wealth.

> I don't think anything will happen to $TSLA's CEO unless except through malice aimed at his peers that affects their wealth.

He needs to watch out for the Saudis, for sure.

Because Teslas are actually just relabeled Volkswagen cars with a lot of marketing?

I'm gonna need a source for that... I don't know of any collaboration between the two companies or overlap between their cars in general.

I think this is a Theranos reference that went over everyone's heads. Theranos were using Siemens machines while pretending to use their own technology. Obviously Tesla is not doing anything like this, and GP's point is that they are not similar.

Tesla out VWed VW in the marketing game. Other than that, they have nothing in common...

That is new to me. What VW platform do you claim Tesla is based on? Anything to back it up?

(I agree personally that value of Tesla is marketing and sentiment as opposed to fundamentals. It's the vw angle I've never see before)

Given Tesla were the first to use a "Giga Press" [1] to mould the chassis, I very much doubt your claim. They innovated significantly. Most car manufacturers use Bosch components all over the place, if that's what you're getting at.

[1] https://europe.autonews.com/suppliers/giga-presses-help-toyo...

There are at least four replies at this moment missing the point entirely, it's incredible how knee-jerk these are to defend Tesla against a defense of Tesla.

If the point is so opaque that four separate comments miss it, then maybe it was not well described in the first place.

It’s less a knee-jerk defense of Tesla and more of a knee-jerk “what are you talking about that’s absurd” because at face value it’s an exceptionally absurd claim.

It's a joke about Theranos, the biggest corporate fraud story of the decade and the parallel topic of the thread!

I mean, that doesn’t change how it’s a confusing and seemingly absurd claim at face value. It doesn’t read like a joke, it doesn’t in any way imply the link, it just sounds like an absurd statement put out to incite responses.

Even if you had just watched the documentaries about Theranos, I doubt you could have immediately pieced that connection on first read.

> seemingly absurd ... doesn’t read like a joke

Buddy,

It would've been a joke if it wasn't indistinguishable from a typical anti-Tesla/anti-Musk comment on-line. Hence the confusion.

Are anti-Tesla comments claiming they sell relabeled VWs a common occurrence on the internet?

I'm well acquainted with the Theranos story and still had no idea what the VW comment meant until I read the replies. It's a pretty tenuous joke, and given the other responses I'm clearly not the only one who thought so.

Being aghast at people for misunderstanding is silly.

Honestly, a lot of the anti-Tesla and anti-Musk arguments I've seen people post on-line, including here on HN, are like that comment, except in earnest. I'm not surprised so many people "missed the point" when your average Tesla/Musk thread on the Internet still has people posting blatant lies and trivially fact-checkable bullshit stories, like e.g. that apartheid emerald mine thing, and that's regardless of how cultured or enlightened the venue claims to be.