Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp

Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by jemmyw on Saturday April 08, 2023 @05:49PM (#35497978)

I moved away from Rails and then back to it because I really wanted to join a particular company. The answer to 2 is somewhat yes, but Elixir no longer counts. People "build" with Elixir, it's the builders FP. This isn't my opinion (I try not to have one on this subject, fed of language snipes) just the general attitude I've noticed.

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by pmarreck on Saturday April 08, 2023 @06:14PM (#35498179)

> Elixir, it's the builders FP

I'm really glad to hear that, because to me it does seem like Elixir is the FPL that is closest to satisfying a GSD mentality and not getting caught up in too many interesting rabbit holes.

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by glenngillen on Saturday April 08, 2023 @07:20PM (#35498598)

We (Ockam.io) are definitely building very real and critical things with Elixir. We filled our remaining open position for it last week though so we’re not currently hiring for an Elixir person. Just wanted to point out there’s definitely companies out there that value it for non-academic reasons.

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by michaelcampbell on Sunday April 09, 2023 @09:27AM (#35502514)

What was your method for hiring; were you looking for Elixir people who can come in hot, or people interested in it specifically that want to learn, or just "good software people" who'd be WILLING to learn it, or something else entirely?

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by glenngillen on Monday April 17, 2023 @03:39PM (#35605490)

I wasn’t the hiring manager for those roles, so I’m not 100% sure. If by “can come in hot” you mean people with existing Elixir experience, then based on who we hired I’d say that previous experience would have been required.

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by jononomo on Saturday April 08, 2023 @08:01PM (#35498836)

What does GSD mean, please?

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by ianmcgowan on Saturday April 08, 2023 @08:23PM (#35498968)

Get shit done

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by michaelcampbell on Sunday April 09, 2023 @09:29AM (#35502526)

Answered already, but in $previousjob we had a team named that, for the reason given. I thought it was kind of clever but unique - 3 jobs hence I work for another company that has the same, so maybe more ubiquitous than I'd thought.

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by satvikpendem on Sunday April 09, 2023 @10:52AM (#35503263)

I find being a "builder's FP" more true of something like Rust than Elixir, in my experience. This is mainly due to the lack of static and algebraic types in Elixir, which makes debugging very difficult, as well as more annoying to reason about the problem domain, because you can't represent it in types as well.

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by pmarreck on Sunday April 09, 2023 @11:08AM (#35503446)

> lack of static and algebraic types in Elixir, which makes debugging very difficult

In about 6 years of working with Elixir, I've found it easier to debug than pretty much every other language I've ever worked in. But to be fair, I've mostly been working on code I've written myself in that time (although you'd be surprised what you forget in a year and then go back to).

You can also add typespecs; I know it's opt-in, but it's something, and it will get checked.

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Re:Why and How We Retired Elm at Culture Amp by weatherlight on Thursday April 13, 2023 @04:17PM (#35561505)

Algebraic types are orthogonal to functional programming.

Functional Programing can be static or dynamic.

Also, Rust isn't an FP language, per say, it has way more in common with the imperative programming paradigm with some ergonomics lifted from the ML family of languages, specifically around it's type systems.

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