A few hundred years ago, you would've lived in a shed with 6 people on 10sqm. I'm sure you can get that kind of accommodation today for very little money.

If you want 2023-level housing, you'll need to put in 2023-level work, unfortunately.

But that's not true fir the class that extracted the majority of productivity gains. Why doesn't this apply to them!

It's true for them, too. A rich guy's life in 1800 sucks compared to the average person's life in 2023. There's a reason why there's no rush to emulate the Amish, and they're not even that extreme.

No, it's some intentional decision of a suburban family in Kansas to not go be Amish. That's not how societies work.

And no, life is worse for millions of people around the world than it was in 1800 if for not other reason

This idea that things MUST be better just isn't supported with data. All the "data" about how great the world is is bad statistics - it's looking at averages only, not the distribution.

You can't point to the richest areas and claim "look see how great things are?"

Find the most destitute among us and see how they fare

> And no, life is worse for millions of people around the world than it was in 1800 if for not other reason

Yeah, but not for the same people. Life in 1800 in NYC was worse than life in NYC in 2023 for the average inhabitant. Life in some places on earth today are worse than life in NYC in 1800 was, but that's not the question.

> Find the most destitute among us and see how they fare

Better. They're faring better. The data is in, and they do.

>The data is in, and they do.

Show me this data cause as far as I know it doesn't exist