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Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by pydry on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:21AM (#35494101)
How do you deprive an oligarch of their ill gotten wealth without violence?
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by klibertp on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:34AM (#35494286)
It's time for the "without violence" to, once again, become of no importance compared to "ill gotten". That's what tends to happen, historically. We'll then get a decade or two of reconciliation and then will again start pretending that we're not murderous primate bastards we are, just like we did for the past 50 years (and even that not nearly universally).
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by maeil on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:38AM (#35494338)
Through violence, as history has shown.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by commandlinefan on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:26AM (#35494181)
How do you do it even with violence? How would you seize and “redistribute” Jeff Bezos’s (for example) wealth? It’s mostly in stocks that would start to lose value if you tried to cash them all out at once.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by maeil on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:36AM (#35494312)
This is a non-issue; the stock will temporarily lose a bit of value through the increase of supply and that's it. Amazon as a company would still intrinsically be valued at hundreds of billions if not 1+ trillion, even if Bezos were to die tomorrow and his will would say that all of his shares should be sold on the market within a day. The fact that you might only end up redistributing $70 billion instead of the $80 billion he was worth when alive doesn't matter, it's still $70 billion being redistributed.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by __MatrixMan__ on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:42AM (#35494383)
You disable his AWS account and badge and stop inviting him to meetings, likewise for any other hands that that stock falls into. It's not valuable if it doesn't give the holder enough power to make changes happen.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by pydry on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:56AM (#35494511)
Laws that force Bezos to open up his platforms to competition would likely collapse the share price while not killing the actual value of what was built.

Tax is another.

The problem is getting into a position where you could pass those laws without violence. I'm not sure it is possible to do it democratically in such a corrupted political system. 3rd parties are essentially impossible and oligarchs have a lock on the other 2.

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by sebzim4500 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:57AM (#35494519)
Who says you have to sell it? It could be held by the taxpayer, and they could pocket the dividends.

Not saying I support this kind of action, but I don't think this is a good argument against it.

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by teucris on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:27AM (#35494205)
Make the next generation of wealth-generating innovations easily within reach to anyone, not just those with capital.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by mistermann on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:24AM (#35494150)
Why apply constraints before we've even gotten started?
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by AndrewKemendo on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:27AM (#35494197)
This is one of the most important questions we should be asking today. I'm not even joking as I think it's a critically important part of fixing society

As dumb as it sounds I genuinely think it's a concerted effort to change people's minds - specifically those people who want to become capital class or otherwise are on the way to the capital class.

If we can 1. Prevent new billionaires from being created and 2. then create structures to allow the capital class to feel like they are important to the process of reducing their own power and democratizing the economy, there might be a chance.

Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by mort96 on Saturday April 08, 2023 @11:50AM (#35494455)
There isn't really any non-violence. The common solution to depriving people of their ill-gotten wealth is state coercion under threat of violence. I don't know if that would work in the case of the 0.1%, but we surely can't limit ourselves to non-violent solutions for the ultra wealthy when we have no trouble with violent solutions for the less wealthy.
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by vc8f6vVV on Saturday April 08, 2023 @12:42PM (#35495068)
Think one step further. What happens if you do? Doesn't the USSR example teach you anything? You will have a different breed of oligarchs, that's all (yes, there were oligarchs in the USSR, just not in the way you think, money is not everything and oligarchy is not about money).
Re:I wish GPT4 had never happened by shrimp_emoji on Saturday April 08, 2023 @12:49PM (#35495133)
Why should you play with a handicap? The "oligarch" forces you to work with violence. They've already violated the non-aggression principle.

No work? No money. No rent payment? Eviction (with violence). Stealing food? Arrest and imprisonment (with violence). It's violence all the way down. It always was. It's just a question of how it's organized and rhetorically justified.