Europe drastically cut its energy consumption this winter

Re:Europe drastically cut its energy consumption this winter by pshirshov on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:35AM (#35491633)

I (as a society) would happily (or unhappily) do whatever is necessary when everyone does that and the system is fair.

At this point I see zero reasons to conserve damn solar energy while half of the country still uses OFCH.

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Re:Europe drastically cut its energy consumption this winter by palata on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:31PM (#35496198)

Yup, that's rational. That's why I don't believe that we will solve this major crisis. We will just have to survive with the consequences.

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Re:Europe drastically cut its energy consumption this winter by pshirshov on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:30PM (#35496744)

Probably, but if your solution is to propose me to reduce my home temperature to 19 degrees instead of dealing with Russia and China burning shittons of coal - that's kinda laughable.

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Re:Europe drastically cut its energy consumption this winter by palata on Saturday April 08, 2023 @06:25PM (#35498253)

I guess my point is that we will need to do *a whole lot more* than most people are comfortable imagining.

One way is to say "well I don't care, I won't do anything until I don't get a choice, and probably at that point it will hurt a lot".

Another is to face it, start doing things, and pushing your politicians to enforce very big plans. One problem I see is that everyone says "I would be ready to do a lot more if I knew everyone else did", but when it's time to vote, they don't.

Not being ready to go lower than 24.5 degrees (doesn't have to be 19 if that's not bearable for you) in winter does not sound like you are ready to do much, though.

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Re:Europe drastically cut its energy consumption this winter by pshirshov on Saturday April 08, 2023 @08:57PM (#35499176)

> Another is to face it, start doing things

As I said before, I'm living in a house insulated up to the highest standard, I have a heat pump and a solar PV, the largest PV array in the estate. I think this is something reasonable. I work remotely, I don't drive much and I drive with very good MPG, I've figured out that my car has the best MPG at 90 kmph so I drive about 90 kmph, I don't travel often, I'm carefully sorting my waste (most people throw everything into the black bin), I'm trying to buy things which last and I'm trying to repair and sell, I think if everyone does that it would make some reasonable impact.

Though I don't think that 19 or whatever degrees is something of your business.

> you are ready to do much

I'm not ready to do unreasonable (or idiotic) things. Why 24.5? Because I've figured out that it's the most optimal temperature for me.

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Re:Europe drastically cut its energy consumption this winter by palata on Sunday April 09, 2023 @05:29PM (#35506661)

You seemed to be surprised because people reacted to your 24.5 degrees. I don't see how people could have guessed all that upfront.

> I'm not ready to do unreasonable (or idiotic) things. Why 24.5? Because I've figured out that it's the most optimal temperature for me.

Let's say that your case is extremely special and for you it does not make sense to not overheat, it does not make it unreasonable (or idiotic) to say that the vast majority of people should not overheat, does it?

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