We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not debate linguistics

Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by riffraff on Saturday April 08, 2023 @01:59AM (#35490928)

> Pre-Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson, the Butlerian Jihad came about because people became lazy under AI, lazy of mind, and were eventually enslaved by those who controlled the AI.

Oh I love this, basically Wall-E is a better Dune than the latest books? Genius!

Anyway, I read Dune many years ago and don't remember this, is this explained in the novels or is it coming from some other sources?

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Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by int_19h on Saturday April 08, 2023 @02:49AM (#35491143)

It's not fully fleshed out in the novels, so you have to piece it out from various mentions and their implications. The two most informative descriptions, IMO, are from Dune:

"Then came the Butlerian Jihad — two generations of chaos. The god of machine-logic was overthrown among the masses and a new concept was raised: “Man may not be replaced.”"

and from God-Emperor:

"The target of the Jihad was a machine-attitude as much as the machines ... Humans had set those machines to usurp our sense of beauty, our necessary selfdom out of which we make living judgments. Naturally, the machines were destroyed."

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Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by pmoriarty on Saturday April 08, 2023 @05:10AM (#35491759)

There's nothing in those quotes about humans being enslaved by AI.

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Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by int_19h on Saturday April 08, 2023 @06:34AM (#35492085)

OP's original claim was "enslaved by those who controlled the AI", which is rather different.

But, yes, I don't think that the books imply literal enslavement either way. It could be described as "enslavement of the mind" in a sense of humans themselves adopting the "machine-logic" and falling prey to it.

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Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by CatWChainsaw on Sunday April 09, 2023 @12:00AM (#35499958)

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."

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