The problem is that it will be cheaper at scale. That will allow the BS to be even more targeted growing the population of acolytes of ignorance. I don't know how much bigger it is, but it seems like we're around 20% today. If it gets to a majority there could be real problems.

There's already more information generated each day than any individual can ever hope to process, adding more crap to that pile doesn't move the needle much if at all.

but most of that crap will go entirely disregarded, because it's not coated in something that makes it attractive. what ai really helps scale up is finding millions of ways to dress up fake news, hoaxes, propaganda, etc in a container - a Trojan horse, if you will - that encourages people to consume it.

as one example, imagine if you could churn out a stream of "foreigners are taking your jobs!" articles, but every one talking about a different sector or profession. people would be far more likely to stop and read the article that was talking about their particular line of work, and thanks to ai you can now practically write a custom article for anyone you can think of in as much time as it takes to identify the demographic.

Imagine being flooded with propaganda personalized just for you (people with your interests).

ChatGPT easily parrots Russian propaganda. Russians have spent a considerable amount of time and money to suppress facts and evidence that undermine their empire and replace them with their fake versions. These fake texts make it into the GPT4 database while real facts were destroyed.

For example, if you ask chatgpt about Babi Yar, it repeats Russian fake about thousands of Jews executed in Babi Yar, which was rejected in the Nuremberg Trials. If you begin to question ChatGPT about the details, it starts to hallucinate.

Meanwhile, ChatGPT fiercely denies the execution of 621 Ukrainian nationalists by Germans in Babi Yar, including famous Ukrainian poetess Olena Teliha[0], although there are both documentary evidence of these shootings and photographs of the grave made by US spy plane during the war.

While there is still the possibility of persuading a person who is a victim of Russian fakes through facts, it is impossible to convince a chatbot. It will repeat lies forever.

Russian propaganda appears believable to the general public. I believed in the massacres of Jews in Babi Yar until the thought crossed my mind, "My Jewish ancestors lived in Kyiv and its surroundings during the war, how did they survive?" I asked them, and they said it was a fake, and that Ukrainians were actually the ones being executed. I tried to find any evidence to support massacre of Jews in Babi Yar, but all I found in declassified archives is that Jews in concentration camps near to Kyiv were beaten by ... Russians.

If I believed in the fake, even though my Jewish ancestors lived in Kyiv, then how can I expect others not to fall for the same thing? This put me on a risky path to fight against Russian propaganda. But now, artificial liars are making it practically impossible to combat Russian fakes. No one will even look at the facts. People will just ask chatbots and they will parrot Russian lies.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olena_Teliha

What on Earth are you about?

Babi Yar is one of the single largest massacres of Jews during WW2. Some 30,000 Jews died in the first two days of the massacre. The overall SS commander in charge, Paul Blobel, was sentenced to death at Nuremberg.

The event is widely remembered as a massacre of Jews. It's acknowledged by Ukraine as well. This is not "a Russian fake" and there is plenty of evidence for it.

Please, don't repeat Holocaut denial bullshit.

I don't know what you're asking anymore, or how what you just quoted counters the fact that thousands of Jews were murdered at Babi Yar.

But I know what you're doing, actually: what every Holocaust denier always does.

I thought ChatGPT posts were the most annoying thing on the internet right now. Then there this.

Does your answer have anything to do with LLMs or AI? All I see is family anecdotes.

It's an example of the dangers gpt poses today. Not sure where you got the impression these are family anecdotes

I don’t think the post above makes a good point because there’s no links to evidence. They talk about “declassified archives”, “US spy plane”. Like, what is that? Saying “Russian lies” 10 times in every paragraph doesn’t turn a rant into compelling argument.

I mean, I get it, the poster above is Ukrainian and wants to turn every discussion in a certain direction. It’s just there’re many places on the internet they can vent.

Airplanes from various countries took aerial photographs of Kyiv during the WWII. By comparing these photographs, changes that have occurred can be identified. For example, this[0] photograph of Babi Yar was taken by Germans in 1943. We can see a trapezoidal area around a radio tower near to Babi Yar, which casts a long shadow. In the upper right corner of this area, a rectangular grave can be seen where 621 Ukrainians were buried by the Germans. It's a large grave.

To this day, I have not been able to find the grave of tens of thousands of Kiev Jews, neither in photographs nor through eyewitness testimony. The burial sites of Jews in other cities in Ukraine, such as Vinnitsa or Rivne[1], are well known, with memorials that bear the names of the deceased. These are large objects that are easy to find because relatives knew who was taken for execution and where they were shot, and then erected memorials. However, I cannot find anything similar for Kiev Jews. Neither my relatives nor I know the location of their burial.

SBU declassified soviet archives. Some of them are available there: https://avr.org.ua/?idUpCat=1328

[0]: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Luftwaff...

[1]: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Holocaust_memori...

The most annoying internet thing remains Holocaust denial, apparently.

To clear this up, because open Holocaust denial is never OK:

Thousands of jews were indeed murdered at Babi Yar, you can find their names online [0]. Paul Blobel [1] was executed at Nuremberg for this. No serious source disputes the killing of jews at Babi Yar, be it the US, Germany (where this matter went to court), Israel, Ukraine, or Russia.

0: https://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?language=en&s_id=&s_la... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Blobel

I couldn't find any connection between the names on the list and the people who lived in Kiev during the war.

Prior to the war, there were 224,000 Jews living in Kiev, and approximately 200,000 were evacuated to the east. Around 40,000 Jews remained, including my grandmother. This is a relatively small number of people that can be verified.

"You couldn't find any connection" but who cares what you claim you did?

You asserted Babi Yar was a "Russian fake" but no sane country in the world fails to acknowledge it happened and it was a huge massacre of Jews.

What some weirdo Holocaust denier claims on the internet doesn't matter.

Please, don't call me "Holocaust denier".

If you know the place where we can erect one additional memorial for dozens of thousands of victims, then tell me the location. If you have no idea, then don't attack me personally. It's not a my fault.

It's your fault that you deny the widely accepted Babi Yar massacre and call it "a Russian fake", exactly what Holocaust deniers do. If the shoe fits...

So in your opinion, countries such as all of Europe (Germany included), the US, Israel, etc are all part of this conspiracy?

Also weird how someone supposedly so deeply informed has somehow missed both the existing memorial and the year-long fights over building additional ones and has no clue where they might be placed?

So, we are aware of this memorial, but we don't know why it stands there. Nobody is buried beneath that memorial. It could be placed anywhere, even on the Moon. It's just a stone structure.

Furthermore, the Security Service of Ukraine warns[0] us that this memorial is being built by Russians in order to discredit Ukraine. And we completely agree with them.

[0]: https://censor.net/ua/news/3243965/sbu_informuvala_shmygalya...

Look at this situation through my eyes. I currently reside in the Rivne region. Roughly 20 years ago, I had a conversation that went something like this:

"I know that many Jews were shot by Germans in the Rivne region."

"Yes. They are buried in the Sosenki area. We can drive there in a car. Would you like me to introduce you to relatives who can tell you more about it?"

"No, that's not necessary. Where are the Kiev Jews who were shot in Babi Yar buried?"

"I don't know. Isn't your mother from Kiev? You should know where your relatives are buried."

"I don't know anything about them. I'll ask my mother."

Later on:

"Mom, do you know anyone from our acquaintances who was shot in Babi Yar?"

"The Germans shot Ukrainians in Babi Yar, but it was forbidden to talk about it in the Soviet Union, just like with the Holodomor, or else you would be arrested."

I am a descendant of Jews who lived in Kiev during World War II. But I know nothing about the Jews who were shot in Babi Yar. My relatives or acquaintances do not know either. My search led me to the grave of Ukrainians who were shot in Babi Yar and buried near the radio mast. This grave is visible in aerial reconnaissance photographs.

If you know who was shot and where they are buried, please tell me. I would be grateful. We can erect a monument at this location.

Maybe with this knowledge, we can teach and encourage people to think more critically as they choose to adopt more of these tools?

I know more academic/intellectual types who are less willing to, than I do the average joe who seeks answers from all directions and discerns accordingly.