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Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by Eisenstein on Friday April 07, 2023 @05:43PM (#35487383)
I think it is better to assume that normal people can be deceived by confident language than to assume this is a problem with 'dumb people'.
Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by kerkeslager on Friday April 07, 2023 @07:38PM (#35488592)
I'd actually go further and say it's better to assume I can be deceived by confident language, than to assume that this is a problem with "dumb people".

If I see other people making a mistake, I want my first question to be "am I making the same mistake?". I don't live up to that aspiration, certainly.

Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by Eisenstein on Friday April 07, 2023 @08:15PM (#35488925)
Very good point. Everyone should do this.
Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by prox on Saturday April 08, 2023 @03:51AM (#35491453)
Yeah this is a common sales tactic, and talented/ charismatic people can certainly employ confidence for an uptick in sales.

The way to combat this is the same for all hoaxes/disinfo and so on, epistemology. The attitude of the Socratic method.

As I write this I wonder if ChatGPT can use the Socratic method on itself.

Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by Eisenstein on Saturday April 08, 2023 @04:16AM (#35491552)
The Socratic method requires self-awareness, otherwise the questions fall flat. Unfortunately I think that there is a greater chance that an LLM will become capable of this before a majority of humans will.
Re:We need to tell people ChatGPT will lie to them, not deba... by kerkeslager on Tuesday April 11, 2023 @09:54PM (#35534108)
Part of what's extremely frustrating about talking to people about AI is that people say things which seem like they understand what's going on in one breath, and then in the next breath say something that makes absolutely no sense if they understood what they just said. This post is a great example of that.

Okay, so you apply epistemology to ChatGPT: when you ask ChatGPT a question, how does it know the answer? The answer is: it doesn't know the answer. All it knows is how people string words together: it doesn't have any understanding of what the words mean.

So no, it can't use the Socratic method on itself or anyone. It can't ask questions to stimulate critical thinking, because it's incapable of critical thinking. It can't draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions, because it doesn't have ideas or underlying presuppositions (or suppositions). It's not even capable of asking questions: it's just stringing together text that matches the pattern of what a question is, without even a the understanding that the text is a question, or that the following text in the pattern is an answer. "Question" and "answer" are not concepts that ChatGPT understands because ChatGPT doesn't understand concepts.