U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet cables

Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by Herval_freire on Friday April 07, 2023 @11:37AM (#35482752)

This is definitely a realistic take . Many people don't agree with you and prefer to see china as the enemy though.

I would say that the view point is a little biased as it doesn't mention all three possibilities.

1. US world empire

2. Equal international relations between china and the US

3. Chinese world empire

3 Is the thing not mentioned in your passage. Like the US, china itself is not some morally idealistic state, when given an opportunity for dominance they will take it.

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Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by s1artibartfast on Friday April 07, 2023 @12:15PM (#35483306)

I don't think it is really accurate to think of these as "options", which implies the possibility of choice between them. There is and always has been one possibility:

A global balance determined by real world economic and military power. This is the way it always has been and always will be. I dont think this is a cynical take, but simple realism. Counties take what they can get and dont ceed more power than they have to.

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Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by Herval_freire on Friday April 07, 2023 @02:45PM (#35485356)

The scenario you declare here is basically option 2. Some sort of cold war stalemate between two super powers.

The US doesn't want this. China wants more then a stalemate.

You are right, none of these are options by choice, they are only possible outcomes.

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Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by s1artibartfast on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:09PM (#35485714)

I agree, but think I am making an even broader point. Im not just desccribing a cold war stalemate, but the fundamental power relation between nation states going back 5,000+ years.

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Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by Herval_freire on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:42PM (#35486098)

History is littered with empires. Nothing is ever stable. Both situations of multitudes of nation states and a single monolithic empire don't have staying power.

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Re:U.S. and China wage war beneath the waves – over internet... by s1artibartfast on Friday April 07, 2023 @03:45PM (#35486137)

yep, but they behave the same way. They try to grow, profit, and compete until they fail and disapear.

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