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Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by firstlink on Thursday April 06, 2023 @04:40PM (#35474088)
What risks? The vaccines are safe and effective.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by fwungy on Thursday April 06, 2023 @04:45PM (#35474146)
That's why everyone still got covid after 3+ shots.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by firstlink on Thursday April 06, 2023 @04:51PM (#35474236)
That's why they survived COVID. I know everyone likes to ignore this now but hospitals and morgues are still overflowing with the unvaxxed. They should be sent home to keep non-insane people safe!
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by brianjking on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:34PM (#35474834)
I'm not ignoring it as I have eyes and can read and understand information. The lack of critical thinking in this country is astounding.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by techisneat on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:53PM (#35475052)
Yes, it is baffling.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by hitpointdrew on Friday April 07, 2023 @04:22PM (#35486507)
'It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled'

It's so sad how many "smart" people STILL believe that mRNA coivd vaccines are SaFe AnD EfEcTiVe. It is quite clear from studies and evidence they they are most certainly neither safe or effective.

Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by extasia on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:00PM (#35474357)
Would you count smokers and obese people as also "insane"? Those are also two massive predictors of (all cause) mortality.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by mrkeen on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:08PM (#35474482)
Smokers and the obese are largely based in reality.

The smokers aren't linking nicotine patches to government microchip implants, and the obese aren't staying fat to try to block out the 5G signals.

Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by pfannkuchen on Thursday April 06, 2023 @06:07PM (#35475199)
Have you considered that some of the crazy sounding people might be intentionally associating crazy ideas with a counter establishment movement? So that the movement is discredited by association.

The establishment has a clear incentive to do this, I would be kind of surprised if they were so pure as to abstain from it. Sure, some gullible people actually go along with the crazy, but I think those are likely a small minority of the counter establishment movements by people count.

The transitive negative social vibes of the crazy ideas makes non-crazy people reluctant to discuss such counter establishment movements in public. E.g. perfectly rational reasons to be cautious about a new vaccine platform are drowned out by and associated with crazy ideas about microchips and 5G, like you say.

Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by fwungy on Thursday April 06, 2023 @09:22PM (#35476889)
It's called " well poisoning".

You take a plausible idea and make it implausible by adding something crazy.

It is entirely rational to question whether you want to take an experimental medication ( odds are you shouldn't), so to discredit people with entirely rational questions about the safety the wildest voices were cultivated, the ones saying that it was 5G activated or magnetic.

Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by extasia on Friday April 07, 2023 @04:45AM (#35479602)
That's a pretty prejudiced way to view people who decided not to get vaccinated. Have you met people who espouse those conspiratorial beliefs in real life?
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by mrkeen on Saturday April 08, 2023 @01:34PM (#35495639)
I've only met one person I could consider an antivaxer. We found out she possibly didn't give her second child the usual childhood shots because her first child cried a lot from them.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by LorenPechtel on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:34PM (#35474831)
They can be pretty seriously in denial, trying to pretend it's not a problem because it's too hard to do something about.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by hitpointdrew on Thursday April 06, 2023 @11:00PM (#35477489)
> I know everyone likes to ignore this now but hospitals and morgues are still overflowing with the unvaxxed.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, or if you're completely delusional. But either way this statement is patently false.

Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by LorenPechtel on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:26PM (#35474723)
There's enough immune escape that the shots simply provide a less serious infection. That's still worthwhile.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by techisneat on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:41PM (#35474912)
Enough data and anecdotal evidence suggests this is false.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by hitpointdrew on Thursday April 06, 2023 @11:01PM (#35477505)
> the shots simply provide a less serious infection

That's nothing more than talking point with no evidence.

Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by techisneat on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:30PM (#35474771)
You are too stupid to insult
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by themagician on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:50PM (#35475022)
I think a lot of people have a hard time with statistics. It's understandable. It's not intuitive and you are not "stupid" because you have no training in statistics.

From a public policy standpoint they are safe and effective. There really is no disputing that. We are talking over 10 BILLION doses across 70% of the human population. If they were not safe and effective society would have completely collapsed. It would be Mad Max.

I think the scale is very confusing. It's hard to think in the billions. At this scale the amount of adverse reactions will reach into the millions, but you are still looking at a very small probability. 1%, 0.1%, 0.001%, 0.0001% all get muddled up in people's minds. If you have no training in statistics these often "feel" like the same numbers.

The average lifetime risk of dying in a car accident is 1 in 100. You probably know someone whose died in a car accident. If you think about long enough, you know multiple people. You (probably) still drive. With "the vaccine" we talk about adverse reactions in the millions. Often single digits. One in a million. Five in a million. 10 in a million. In some cases you may even get into three digits! 100 or 200 per million. But even 1,000 in a million reduces to 1 in 1,000. Even if you stretch it out to something ridiculous like that you still end up an order of magnitude less than the kind of risks people generally consider safe.

Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by VagueMag on Monday April 10, 2023 @05:02PM (#35517378)
Given that 1 in 1,000 deaths would be a far higher fatality rate than what SARS-CoV-2 causes in many health demographics (and the vaccines don't even prevent infection anyway), no, that would be pretty far from "safe." This was all well understood until everyone completely lost their minds over SARS-CoV-2, of all things.
Re:Covid vaccines are not needed for healthy kids and teens,... by hitpointdrew on Thursday April 06, 2023 @11:11PM (#35477567)
Myocarditis, pericarditis, "long COVID" symptoms, Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), cerebral venous thrombosis, blood clots, acquired hemophilia A, death.

Just to name few.