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Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by recursive_loops on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:17PM (#35462834)
But suppose the government dropped the hammer and banned any AI. Is it even possible to enforce? It kind of seems like the genie is out of the bottle here.
Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by hn_throwaway_99 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:49PM (#35463082)
We enforce copyright law, even though the actual act of copying is technologically trivially easy these days.
Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by tablespoon on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:08AM (#35464374)
>> But suppose the government dropped the hammer and banned any AI. Is it even possible to enforce? It kind of seems like the genie is out of the bottle here.

> We enforce copyright law, even though the actual act of copying is technologically trivially easy these days.

Exactly. Many software engineers have this weird misunderstanding of law that seems to come from misapplying mathematical standards to the legal system. A law isn't a fucking proof, it doesn't have to be 100% airtight, completely preventing all cases of the undesired behavior to work and be valuable.

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by pixl97 on Thursday April 06, 2023 @09:17AM (#35467942)
>We enforce copyright law

Eh... "enforce-ish"

I'll make up an analogy on how we enforce it. Imagine that you're watching a bunch of unruly kids on a playground and you have a strict 'no violence' set of rules. The problem is all these children are straight out of hell and just love hitting each other as much as possible. You'd be physically worn out trying to cover lessor acts of violence your actual rule is "If there is bloodshed there is punishment"

That is more how enforcement of copyright actually works. You really, really have to screw up pretty big time for it to be enforced.

Now imagine the "Copyright Absurdism Universe". This is a place where any copyright infringement is immediately detectable by magic the moment it occurs. Do you think this universe would have anything even close to the laws we have? I do not believe so at all. Effectively it would cause society to fall apart very quickly since society and civilization are built on the sharing of all kinds of ideas including language and imagery where any form of copyright maximalism would cause people to be afraid to use any new ideas for fear of being fined by the owner of said ideas.

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by waboremo on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:58PM (#35463162)
It's very possible to enforce when you realize most AI stems from a very select bunch of platforms, and even "rogue" AI makers rely on these choke points. In the current stage, enforcing a ban against current AI tools would be quite devastating.

For clarity, I'm not in favor of banning, just that we're still a very long way away from the genie being out of the bottle here. Maybe within the next 5 years if pace keeps up.

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by blibble on Thursday April 06, 2023 @07:05AM (#35466737)
government could force nvidia/amd to add circuitry to their products to detect the linear algebra operations and slow down

in the same way it was done for crypto on gamers cards

of course this doesn't fix china but they don't have the technology anyway due to sanctions

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by staunton on Thursday April 06, 2023 @09:46AM (#35468238)
> they don't have the technology anyway due to sanctions

that won't be true for long

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by ronsor on Thursday April 06, 2023 @10:21AM (#35468644)
The same way it was done for crypto and then cracked not long after?
Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by BeFlatXIII on Thursday April 06, 2023 @10:43AM (#35468952)
> they don't have the technology anyway due to sanctions

As if they don't use shell buyers.

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by blibble on Thursday April 06, 2023 @11:03AM (#35469280)
theres like 3 EUV machines made over a 3 year period

made by one company (ASML)

if you aren't Intel, TSMC or Samsung you aint getting one

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by MichaelZuo on Thursday April 06, 2023 @07:05PM (#35475745)
I think the parent is implying that someone in Vietnam or Kazakhstan could just buy the finished product and drive across the border.

So the restriction is effectively an inconvenient tax.

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by blibble on Thursday April 06, 2023 @07:18PM (#35475842)
how does that help if the finished product has been made to detect LLM workloads in hardware and slow down?
Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by MichaelZuo on Thursday April 06, 2023 @07:21PM (#35475878)
Assuming the detection is perfectly implemented, it wouldn't.
Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by carlosjobim on Thursday April 06, 2023 @07:11AM (#35466787)
> Is it even possible to enforce?

Not a chance. But it can be added to the list of laws that everybody breaks all the time, that can come in handy when law enforcement wants to get you for other reasons.

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by pca006132 on Thursday April 06, 2023 @07:50AM (#35467095)
You can't even draw a clean line between AI and optimization, so I don't think it is possible to enforce.
Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by brookst on Thursday April 06, 2023 @08:00AM (#35467183)
It’s next to impossible to ban outcomes. That’s why the idiotic war on drugs is all about banning ingredients for drugs, and still doesn’t work.

The only practical way to ban AI is to ban the hardware that makes it possible. Maybe ban silicon with more than X transistors, or ban clusters with more than Y total transistors.

It would be dumb and would not work (you can still AI on a one CPU, just very slowly). But that would be the angle prohibitionists would have to take.

Re:AI Is Coming for Voice Actors. Artists Everywhere Should ... by antifa on Thursday April 06, 2023 @06:46PM (#35475553)
Maybe this actually a good idea, then "AI" companies will say things like "It's not AI, it's Machine Learning" instead of everyone claiming everything they do is AI.