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Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by RodgerTheGreat on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @04:10PM (#35459744)
If usage information is so valuable, why not ask for it instead of simply taking it?
Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by JohnFen on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @04:13PM (#35459773)
The answer I've gotten to this question from multiple sources is: because if we ask, not enough users say yes.

Which speaks volumes.

Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by flangola7 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @05:40PM (#35460751)
I've learned that a lot of people somehow made it to adulthood without a single lesson on what actual enthusiastic true consent is.
Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by Vinnl on Thursday April 06, 2023 @02:57AM (#35465100)
The followup to that is: '...and they'll switch to alternatives that don't ask.'
Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by swyx on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @06:09PM (#35461085)
because 80% of users dont opt in, dont opt out, they roll with the defaults, and when asked dont mind that youre getting anonymized telemetry back. most users are not privacy maxis like those motivated to comment 3 threads down on hn posts like these. they want to get their stuff done and expect the product to improve and understand that we have evolved these practices as pragmatic tradeoffs.
Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by chrisweekly on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @10:59PM (#35463574)
Not to mention it's usually possible to opt out (as it is with Next.js/Vercel).
Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by SanderNL on Thursday April 06, 2023 @01:43AM (#35464593)
They trust us and we are eroding that trust by invading their privacy for bs reasons.

They do not understand, they just shrug “I guess devs need this”. They expect us to know, to care, because it is our job. We don’t and it’s sad.

Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by deafpolygon on Thursday April 06, 2023 @05:25AM (#35466128)
And because of this erosion, more people are pushing back on telemetry. Imagine if everyone decided to get together, detail what telemetry they needed and why and outline how users can help - protect their privacy and actually Do The Right Thing(tm) that more people would be willing to care, and maybe contribute.
Re:Telemetry in Front-End Tools by thrashh on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @08:48PM (#35462623)
The type of people who volunteer are different from the general population.

That’s why things like public opinion surveys have to be random and why jury duty selection isn’t volunteer.