Re:Bob Lee, Former CTO Square, Creator of CashApp, Stabbed t...
by matthewdgreen on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @08:11AM
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I think “right” and “left” are doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Are you talking about people in power, or are you talking about people on Twitter and a perception advanced by sensationalist news sources? I ask because at a national level this description doesn’t seem to match the policies being enacted (and a lot of people on Twitter are pretty vocally unhappy about it.) Everything else seems to vary greatly on a city-by-city level.
Re:Bob Lee, Former CTO Square, Creator of CashApp, Stabbed t...
by giraffe_lady on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @08:22AM
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More individual self-identification yes. There are effectively no leftists in power in the US, the democrats mostly have what I've described as the centrist position. There is a lot of space to their left in terms of possible policy, but no one in a position to affect it seriously proposing it, afaik.
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by causi on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @08:17AM
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The problem is they get treated as if they're a member of the opposite side, not a third viewpoint. I can't count the number of times I've been called a Nazi and a communist in the same day.
Re:Bob Lee, Former CTO Square, Creator of CashApp, Stabbed t...
by giraffe_lady on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @08:36AM
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FWIW, coming from the far left here, I don't really consider either of these positions "opposite" me but they are both clear opponents to my vision of meaningful change.
There's no neutrality or inherent virtue in a centrist position: it's a side like any other and you don't get credit just for inhabiting it. That doesn't make anyone calling you a nazi or communist justified in doing so or correct in their assessment. But it does indicate that neither considers your stance a compromise or allied position in relation to their own.
Re:Bob Lee, Former CTO Square, Creator of CashApp, Stabbed t...
by causi on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @08:44AM
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It's not a centrist position, it's just one that doesn't adhere to the doctrine of either the Right or the Left.
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by latency-guy2 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:17AM
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There's also no value in being an extremist either, you're not a significant member of any party that would lead to change in this country, nor will any of your goals come to fruition, you are outnumbered heavily and it looks like thankfully that will be the case for the remainder of my lifetime.
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by giraffe_lady on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:34AM
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I find that I must act in alignment with my moral values to the best of my understanding and ability. It's not up to me to discover or calculate the "value" of those results, and that's not any part of my motivation.
I don't know what it would be like to select political goals based on their likelihood in the face of such incredible violence and injustice as we create. I'm grateful I can't lathe my soul in such a way. Seems chill though.
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by sebzim4500 on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @09:49AM
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Not too long ago, advocating for gay marriage was considered an extremist position, but that eventually passed. On the other side, advocating for the illegality of abortion even for a child rape victim would be considered an extreme position in most of the US even though it is the current law in several states.
The Overton window can move surprisingly quickly, and policies which you consider extremist now won't be in a decade.
Re:Bob Lee, Former CTO Square, Creator of CashApp, Stabbed t...
by causi on Wednesday April 05, 2023 @11:33AM
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What fraction of people have to agree with something before it isn't extreme? Support for marriage equality among Americans was as high as 25% even back in 1990, if XKCD is to be believed.
The rightward view of american policing is basically they're functioning as intended but are not powerful enough to achieve their desired effect and must be reinforced to succeed.
The leftward view is that they're functioning as intended, the violence and fear they cause is success, and so the entire thing must be dismantled.
The "centrist" view is I think something like the goal of policing is good & correct but the system is malfunctioning and must be adjusted. Neither side will agree with that: the right doesn't agree that it's malfunctioning (except so far is that it's held back from achieving its goal) and the left doesn't agree that its goal is just.