Murder rate is a proxy for proximity to trauma care. SF does well. The better measure of societal violence is the crime rate. SF is worse than 98% of cities in the US.

Homicide is an interesting metric because death is harder to cover up and thus we should expect it to be reported. There are many other crimes which people just wouldn't bother to report.

It would be overly speculative to argue that Jackson MS, one of the most conservative 100k+ cities in the US, has a spectacular murder rate compared to SF because medical care is so good in SF.

>Jackson MS, one of the most conservative 100k+ cities in the US

Jackson, MS is in Hinds county, which voted 73.4% for Biden in 2020, 71.1% for Clinton in 2016, and 71.5% for Obama in 2012. There hasn't been a single Republican mayor of Jackson in the Post-WW2 period. It's strange to call someone else's comment overly speculative when yours is flat out incorrect.

Jackson is 80% black, you have no idea what you are talking about

Which crime? According to this [1] San Francisco is high for larceny-theft (#2), but #66 for murder and non-negligent manslaughter, #67 for rape, #20 for robbery, #66 for aggravated assault, #55 for burglary, #34 for motor vehicle theft, and #23 for arson.

This is out of the 100 most populous of the cities that have data in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports system.

Here are the top 5 in each of these categories.

Murder etc: St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Baton Rouge

Rape: New Orleans, Anchorage, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Spokane

Robbery: Baltimore, Cleveland, Oakland, St. Louis, Memphis

Aggravate assault: Detroit, Memphis, St. Louis, Kansas City, Milwaukee

Burglary: Cleveland, Memphis, Baton Rouge, Tulsa, Baltimore

Larceny-theft: Spokane, San Francisco, Albuquerque, Memphis, St. Louis

Motor vehicle theft: Albuquerque, Oakland, Detroit, Portland OR, San Bernardino

Arson: Detroit, Buffalo, Baton Rouge, Bakersfield, Stockton

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

What percentage of murders in "Republican states" occur in cities governed by Democrats?

The real issue is that many Republican states also have high relative populations of black people. Compare the black populations of LA/AL/MS/GA vs CA/MA/WA/NJ. You will quickly see why crime rates that don't control for certain demographic disparities will lead to misleading conclusions

Something else is common to "republican states" but I don't think I would be very popular for saying what that something is.

I would hope that on HN, ominous sarcasm would make you even less popular than stating an honest opinion.

It’s not sarcasm. It’s just a very obvious confounder

Many hear will think "guns"! But the actual answer is racial demographics