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Re:Harvard, Princeton Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe by jacobolus on Thursday February 02, 2012 @04:25PM (#3544566)
Caltech explicitly looks for the top science/math/engineering students. These tend to be students with heavy focus on academics, and in particular these students universally score very very well on the math section of tests like the SAT. Harvard and Princeton, by contrast, look for students who excel in a much wider range of skills. Many of my most brilliant classmates at Harvard came in with abysmal SAT math scores. A brilliant actor, painter, entrepreneur, historian, debater, or even naturalist who can’t hack it in a calculus or physics course is never going to get into or survive Caltech, but might be entirely successful at Harvard or Princeton.

There’s nothing wrong with Caltech’s admission criteria (engineers and scientists are lovely people! I am one!), but it’s pretty stupid to boil down human ambition and accomplishment to the results of the SAT test.

Re:Harvard, Princeton Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe by mynameishere on Thursday February 02, 2012 @06:23PM (#3545024)
Harvard and Princeton, by contrast, look for students who...

Cut it to the chase. The ruling class of tomorrow is the current class of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. (And maybe Wharton). The end. The current class wants a ruling class that looks like their idea of utopia. This means a very Kosher group of whites, a hefty dose of divide-and-conquer "diversity", and a minimum of technocrats. Obviously, Asians are left out of that utopia.

They aren't going to spell that out in words, but their actions are clear as damnation.

Re:Harvard, Princeton Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe by reader5000 on Thursday February 02, 2012 @05:31PM (#3544805)
This is really the gist of these suits. If it were the case that by law colleges could only consider SAT score, then there is strong evidence for anti-Asian and anti-white discrimination. But since not all schools are Caltech, nor want to be, these suits are without merit. It is entirely possible that a legitimately race-blind admissions process would produce lots of 2600SAT asian kids not getting into the elite unis.

That said, race-blind admissions policies are not current law nor necessarily even the optimal policy. For example, we can't have a nation with a persistent racial underclass. In as much as college effects class mobility (which is probably small), race-aware policies allow for this.

Re:Harvard, Princeton Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe by yummyfajitas on Thursday February 02, 2012 @09:00PM (#3545389)
For example, we can't have a nation with a persistent racial underclass.

Why not? As long as the racial underclass remains an underclass due solely to non-discriminatory processes, what's the problem?

A related question: suppose we don't divide humans into subgroups by race, but instead divide them by some other factor. (E.g., height, good looks, intellect, whatever.) Would it be wrong if one of those subdivisions were a "persistent underclass" due solely to a meritocratic process?

Re:Harvard, Princeton Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe by krakensden on Friday February 03, 2012 @03:30AM (#3546344)
> For example, we can't have a nation with a persistent racial underclass

Are you asserting that we don't?