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Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by grumpyprole on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:38PM (#35442324)
If there is a job that requires generating bullsh*t, then definitely it is at risk. Otherwise, no.
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by skitout on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:07PM (#35442768)
I started a project where a guide with art history background was writing the content... no we use GPT4 for 80% of it.

A lot of job are at risk. Most of them no because of full automation, but because less people will be required because of productivity increases "thanks to" AI. And many more job will become boring.

The problem is this productivity gain will hurt a lot of people, and there are probably/possibly only a small minority of people that will fully benefit from it

Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by grumpyprole on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:28PM (#35443079)
You will have to proof read anything it writes and you should also fact check it. However, this is very difficult to do if GPT4 is unable to provide references or citations, or any provenance at all. The human with the art history background at least has some credentials, whereby the output can be trusted, to some degree and explained if necessary.
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by fauxpause_ on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:46PM (#35444969)
If you have a model that can read text and extract its meaning; and a model that can generate text, the work required to create a model that can generate text and then query for other texts that support its claims is not very hard.

This is, imo, such an obviously near term capability that its not worth bringing up as a limitation.

Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by BaseballPhysics on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:50PM (#35445021)
> If you have a model that can read text and extract its meaning

That model doesn't exist.

We have models that can read text and then probabilistically create a summary that's the most likely to match the original.

But none of these models "extract meaning" in a way that can be used for fact checking purposes in the way you describe.

What you're describing is basically a world model, and while there's a few folks claiming these LLMs are showing the glimmers of building world models, it's mostly speculation.

Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by fauxpause_ on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:44PM (#35446255)
Oh please. If you can produce a summary of content, you’ve captured the meaning.

I asked 3.5 to do it for you.

> The paragraph that explains that models cannot be used for fact checking is:

> "But none of these models "extract meaning" in a way that can be used for fact checking purposes in the way you describe."

It’s not hard to imagine a very simple tool to try and find citations for claims. Or perhaps, derive claims from a source with citations.

Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by rideontime on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:27PM (#35443973)
Are you disclosing to your users/customers?
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by Iwan-Zotow on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:31PM (#35446111)
question is who is going to consume this product?

If i know for sure it is 100% GPT-X generated bs, do you think I'll read it?

Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by rcarr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:31PM (#35443127)
I’m not sure I’d consider illustrator and artist jobs to be “generating bullshit” and I’d say at least 90% of them are probably going to be eliminated. You can probably add some other non-bullshit media jobs like audio mastering and video colouring to the list.
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by grumpyprole on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:37PM (#35443243)
I think your 90% number is significantly over-estimating. Most creative people are actually quite creative and not just recycling.
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by rcarr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:39PM (#35443271)
Are you actually joking? I think you should go have a look at Midjourney v5 and have a read through some Reddits in the art community where people are already losing their jobs.
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by grumpyprole on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:48PM (#35443412)
Is that where your 90% estimate comes from? Browsing Reddit? You are the one with the extraordinary claim (and it therefore requires extraordinary evidence).
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by rcarr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @01:55PM (#35443525)
Well you’ve got financial analyst firms left right and center coming out with big numbers like this that have far more access to resources and data than I ever will. But you could just use your common sense. Most illustrators and artists make their money doing commissions for businesses. Most businesses will opt for the cheapest solution that meets the quality standard they’re after. The quality standard has already been met and it is far cheaper and faster than hiring an illustrator. So tell me how are all these illustrators and artists going to carry on making a living producing art if they’re priced out of the market?
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by grumpyprole on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:08PM (#35443710)
> The quality standard has already been met

I acknowledged in my first post that a particular quality standard had already been met by AI. I also concede that this quality standard could be sufficient for many businesses. God help us all if it's 90% of businesses.

Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by rcarr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @02:21PM (#35443897)
Sadly I think that’s where it’s heading. We’ve already got this dynamic where the majority of people get their stuff from the same big brands, and then increasing levels of luxury brands for the top 5% or so. I think it’s going to end up like that, where luxury brands who can afford it will brand the human touch as “luxurious craftsmanship” and then the other brands will have no alternative but to use AI because competition is fierce and everything is a race to the bottom.

Even for stuff like movie making, a director or producer would hire an illustrator or team of illustrators and send off a script to get it storyboarded and probably have to wait at least a few weeks. Now they can just go to a prompt engineer and have it done in a single afternoon. There’ll be similar developments in VFX, if you have a look at the latest Unreal Engine 5.2 demo they do motion capture from a woman’s face from a mobile phone camera in a matter of minutes. The actress in the demo says that kind of thing used to take a month to get the same result. When you’ve got a bunch of competing streaming services and studios trying to churn out as much content as possible to keep subscribers, it’s going to be difficult for them to justify the slowness and cost of keeping those human workers compared to the AI.

Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by ipaddr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:30PM (#35446098)
Streaming services for who? With everyone out of work
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by Iwan-Zotow on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:34PM (#35446137)
Who will consume all this stuff?
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by rcarr on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:52PM (#35446335)
Well humans have adapted, just as they have adapted to every technological development. There are tons of jobs out there with shortages e.g paramedics, nurses, teachers, engineering, plumbers, electricians, construction etc. People will end up doing these jobs if that's the only way they can make a living. It does majorly, majorly suck for everyone whose dream it was to have one of the creative jobs that are being replaced. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's probably what is going to happen.
Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by Iwan-Zotow on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:29PM (#35446082)
Who then would be reading this BS?

I believe GPT-X will generate tons of ... something ...

How you would force people to READ IT ?

If you know your incoming info is 90% BS, not a guess, not a thought, just knowledge that this is all auto-generated by some multiCPU entity - why would you read it? What are going to gain or to learn?

Re:Goldman Sachs Predicts 300M Jobs Will Be Lost or Degraded... by hooverd on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:25PM (#35448532)
They'll summarize it using the same GPT-X.