Re:$60/MWh for advanced nuclear electricity is achievable: G...
by ftth_finland on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:24AM
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Tell me more about these available renewable energy sources that work when the sun doesn’t shine, the wind doesn’t blow and aren’t dependent on local geographical features being available.
Re:$60/MWh for advanced nuclear electricity is achievable: G...
by cinntaile on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:18AM
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I have a hard time seeing how this is relevant for what I wrote. Can you doublecheck to be sure you didn't misunderstand the context?
Re:$60/MWh for advanced nuclear electricity is achievable: G...
by ftth_finland on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @04:37AM
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Admittedly the grandparent is somewhat ambiguous about what constitutes availability, but my point was that widely available renewable energy sources, such as wind and solar, are intermittent.
Re:$60/MWh for advanced nuclear electricity is achievable: G...
by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:36AM
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That's why we have grids and storage. Perhaps you should investigate those before making definitive statements about what renewables can and can't do.
Re:$60/MWh for advanced nuclear electricity is achievable: G...
by peterfirefly on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:54PM
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We have very little storage and the grids require electricity generation from something. With lots of HVDC connections we could conceivably move enormous amounts of electricity around on a continental scale and thereby reduce the need for storage. That would be great...
...but it still won't be enough. We need something that can produce power when renewables can't.
Re:$60/MWh for advanced nuclear electricity is achievable: G...
by cinntaile on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @07:17AM
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Sure, they're intermittent which is a downside but they still compete away constant output sources. I didn't mention it in my previous reply but it is possible to vary the output to a certain extend (depending on the technology), the problem is that the economics assume a pretty constant output. This equation doesn't add up in certain places anymore. Therefore I expect that we will have a lot fewer constant output energy sources and a lot more variable energy sources. This will be combined with a certain amount of storage, fossil fuel backup plants, systems to timeshift our energy consumption, probably more usage of district heating/cooling systems and a lot of other stuff of course.
Re:$60/MWh for advanced nuclear electricity is achievable: G...
by Hackwar on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @07:20AM
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It has been a long time since such a day existed. You are talking about a situation that is mostly theoretical. I could come around and claim that nuclear is also totally unreliable, with all the maintenance necessary and the cooling issues, especially in a heating world. Bullshit? Not exactly. Look at the issues France has been having with their reactors in the last 10 years, importing vast amounts of electricity from Germany.
They are actually available, maybe Korea just doesn't want to build them? They don't play that well with constant output systems like nuclear so it would make nuclear unprofitable in the longer run. Although this obviously depends on the energy mix, maybe up until a certain percentage renewables would be fine for example.