Re:Giving kids no autonomy at all has become a parenting norm
by tptacek on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:52AM
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In the previous thread, you attempted to construct the argument that high-status Asian families somehow endorsed corporal punishment; in fact, they are among the least likely cohorts to do so. That there is a huge diversity of different Asians doesn't do anything to rehabilitate your argument.
Nobody should hit kids. This is a bad contrarian hill to die on.
Re:Giving kids no autonomy at all has become a parenting norm
by rayiner on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @03:20PM
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You pointed to a survey that asked people to agree or disagree with the assertion that sometimes, children need a "good hard spanking." As I said in that thread, that evidence is unpersuasive, because it relies on a confusing English idiom. As used in America, the term "good hard spanking" just means "spanking." But if you're one of the 71% of Asian American adults born in another country, that qualifier "hard" implies something more extreme than an ordinary spanking.
We know for a fact that corporal punishment is widely used in Asia. Surveys show that 60-70% of parents in India, China, and Japan spank their kids or approve of spanking: e.g. https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2014-06/03/content_175.... It's possible that all those Asian immigrants come to American and adopt western attitudes against corporal punishment, but I'm going to need more than a poorly worded survey to believe that.
> Nobody should hit kids. This is a bad contrarian hill to die on.
You're the contrarian here! The same survey you relied on in the other thread shows that the vast majority of asian American parents (73%) spank their kids.
I meant Asians in Asia. Also, as I mentioned in the thread you linked, I’m unpersuaded by your study of Asian Americans, especially because of the highly idiomatic phrasing of the polling questions. I’m also not even sure how you’d design a study to measure this to account for confounding factors. For example, how do you separate parents who use physical punishment because they have poor impulse control (which is quite heritable) from those that use physical punishment when it’s appropriate? And what’s the definition of success? E.g. what if teachers hitting low impulse control students doesn’t do much for the student, but reduces disruption so the rest of the students in class do better? That wouldn’t seem to count in the studies on this I’ve seen.