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Re:Ask HN: What lesser-known accessories do you use with you... by rektide on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:16PM (#35434535)
A good number of these mouse show a difference of 0.2 ms betwen wired & wireless. That's one frame at 500fps. As you say, there are so many other factors that radically dwarf this transport concern. It's hard to take this as a discussion when people protest so vehemently against such a tiny figure, when it's such a small factor.

Also griefing about battery seem like horseshit too. I have a travel mouse with a single rechargeable AA battery in it. I have a variety of gaming mice, including a Razer Naga Epic from ~2010 that I've literally worn the buttons through to unreliability on. These mice all have li-ion batteries and they all work fine. Maybe in aggregate I've worn through like a single rechargable AA cells worth of use over a decade. The rate of attrition on rechargeable batteries is tiny.

It's just incredible what the cables-or-die undead-alliance goes through to justify their fanatical anti-cause.

Re:Ask HN: What lesser-known accessories do you use with you... by anonym29 on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:30PM (#35434678)
We're the ones jumping through hoops? Come on now, your tribe is the one making excuses for the platform that is ALWAYS slower, less bandwidth, higher latency, higher error rate, more prone to interference, and has higher power requirements, all else equal.

Let's stop the charades - team wireless has chosen their position because deep inside, whether they want to admit it or not, they have a squeamish, neurotic aversion to the sight of cables, nothing more.

Re:Ask HN: What lesser-known accessories do you use with you... by rektide on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:39PM (#35434740)
Oh I absolutely have a long-held aversion to the sight of cables. Because I have had to live among them, among many many many many of them, because I have had to manage them, growing up amidst so very many of them. They have never been fun to manage. I have long toiled to not be so enwrapped by cables.

Slower? Not really, not according to the links already shared. Less bandwidth? My headphones, my mouse, my keyboard are nowhere near their practical limits over wireless. Higher latency? I just cited 0.2ms, which seems absurd to grumble over. Higher error rate? This is not a problem I've ever experienced. More prone to interference? Literally never seen an issue. There's just no real solid reports on this being an issue. It's not seen with any statistical significance in real reviews.

Higher power requirements? Yes, having some awareness of batteries is required, but if you set things up (slash most devices are set up) to not be caught unprepared it's a remarkable low-toil system. Most devices can charge themselves. Most will operate for a week without charge. The only problem is being a total newb who doesn't have any handle at all, who gets caught out unprepared in the cold, by having absolutely no indicators & no warning. Once you actually start trying to use these devices, once you actually start looking at the battery level, the power concern is remarkably low issue.

Re:Ask HN: What lesser-known accessories do you use with you... by anonym29 on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:02AM (#35434890)
Many great points made.
Re:Ask HN: What lesser-known accessories do you use with you... by rektide on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @12:07AM (#35434928)
> We're in agreement, you prefer the solution with objectively, measurably inferior performance for strictly superficial reasons.

I never said that. I never said I made any trade-offs. Wireless is strictly better, with as good real performance. I kept reviewing the rtings table, and it turns out most of the best performances from mice are only on wireless. I haven't seen a single wired mouse that goes <2ms. But a number of mice (which are wired capable) can go <2 ms wireless. This doesn't seem worth quibbling about, but you're not playing this fair or square, you're not being in any way reasonable, you're being a lopsided mean person, so I'll cite some small fine-grained nitty-gritty shit to tell this denialist attitude off.

> Personal incredulity is a logical fallacy, not an argument

Show me the evidence. Your anger & pissancy is not an argument either. You have not a shred more than I do. You lean on fear uncertainty & doubt. You have nothing.

> From a usability standpoint, sure. That electricity still has an excess economic cost, and the lithium-ion battery produced from rare earth minerals that, statistically speaking, have a solid chance of having been mined with slave or child labor, have both environmental and humanitarian costs that my wired mouse, requiring no rare earth minerals, simply does not incur.

Get out of town. This zeal is ridiculous; you show your colors. Call me again when you're willing to come back to earth. Otherwise this is a flamewar & discussion is impossible. We're talking about batteries that weigh 10~20g. The level of shaming you've attempted to go through to condemn these batteries is stratospheric & utterly absurd. Let's say lithium makes up 50% the weight... is 5g of lithium that lasts well over a decade worth freaking out about? This seems unhinged & deranged to me. There seems to be no desire on your part to come-to-level, to actually discuss & have discourse: it's all extremes, bias, selling your position. I'm not interested in flamewars like this. The protests against wireless gear seem so ill-defined, so emotionally biased, so lacking in evidence. If you need both reliable AND cheap, yes, go wired, do it, it's easy, but for pretty mild costs, the wireless kit we can get today is surpassing. I have yet to hear a single reasoned cause not just in this thread but in any thread that genuinely backs up or supports the wired-mafia.