Alibaba breaks itself up in six

Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by ImPostingOnHN on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:28PM (#35430797)

it's an interesting topic (whether Apple's monopolistic behavior has produced any good), but again, entirely orthogonal to the underlying question, whether Apple is behaving monopolistically (they are).

in the amount equal to how much you like any such benefits, other people dislike the downsides of monopolistic behavior, so we decided that it's bad even if maybe some good comes with the bad

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Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by seanmcdirmid on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:10PM (#35431339)

I just disagree that Apple is behaving monopolistically. Dictionary definition of monopolistic behavior:

> having or trying to have complete control of something, especially an area of business, so that others have no share: She did not consider the fine a sufficient deterrent against monopolistic practices by big producers. The company is accused of monopolistic behavior.

Apple has completely control over Apple products and services, but not of the entire market, since there are plenty of other choices available in every market category they operate in. People who say they dislike Apple for its monopolistic behavior tend to seem to dislike Apple in general, and would rather not anyone buy their products, rather than just making the personal choice to not buy their products (because they indeed have many other choices and so can avoid buying Apple products and services).

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Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by ImPostingOnHN on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:15PM (#35431397)

your post does a good job of explaining how Apple's behavior is monopolistic, by that very definition, even despite not controlling the entire market: the "something" need not be the entire market

as for like vs dislike, the company isn't important enough for me to form such personal opinions about it, they're simply a company engaging in monopolistic behavior just like any other company engaging in monopolistic behavior

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Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by seanmcdirmid on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:23PM (#35432142)

Again, the definition is clear. By the definition generalized in that way, any company building a proprietary system would be guilty of monopolistic behavior. If that's the case, then I guess it is a meaningless distinction anyways, and really not my worth much of my time to ponder either.

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Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by ImPostingOnHN on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:12PM (#35434090)

your own conclusions, whether about what other companies do or don't do (whataboutism) or anything else, are neither convincing nor here nor there, since the topic at hand is simply, is this one company in question (Apple) engaging in monopolistic behavior (they are)

the same goes for your personal opinions as to the meaning of such a conclusion -- while I'm sure you are a great person, and appreciate you respectfully commenting, such opinions are neither convincing nor relevant to the topic at hand: whether this one company in question (Apple) is engaging in monopolistic behavior (they are)

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