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Re:What it Sounds Like When Doves Cry: transcribing bird sou... by q845712 on Monday April 03, 2023 @03:03PM (#35429537)
someone else hints at this but one of the easiest Messiaen pieces to understand is his "Quartet for the end of time", written while he was a prisoner of the germans during WW2. The wikipedia article for the piece is actually pretty good "liner notes" if you want a guide to each movement.

One other thing about whatever you want to call the contemporary continuation of classical music - you're right that there's often a lot going on. I've heard it described as "fragile" music: in contrast to pop songs that still work if you're on a train, if they're interrupted by an announcement, if you only listen to the second half, etc., a lot of this music is written to be listened to by someone who is relatively calm and undistracted, in a quiet environment. And honestly some of it has additional expectations of its audience, like a better than average ability to remember melodic snippets and recognize their transformations, or an ability to track "advanced" harmonies and key changes. But imo the general rule "90% of everything is crap" applies in this genre as well, and most of the pieces that everyone will speak of in glowing terms have a way of 'working' for most listeners without demanding advanced education, study, or above average musical-listening abilities.

Re:What it Sounds Like When Doves Cry: transcribing bird sou... by nerdponx on Monday April 03, 2023 @04:54PM (#35431136)
Good to know. I should add that I actually liked the stuff that I heard, much more so than most contemporary Western "classical"/concert music, and I'm happy to follow up on this particular composer. I was just disappointed at how little it sounded like bird song to me, and instead fell into what seem to be some stereotypical tropes of this style.
Re:What it Sounds Like When Doves Cry: transcribing bird sou... by dhosek on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:24PM (#35446658)
I think a lot of it also helps to be inside of. I had the good fortune for a few years around the turn of the century to sing in the Holy Name Cathedral choir in Chicago and the choir director programmed a lot of 20th-century classical work alongside the blue-haired lady standards and renaissance works. One of my favorite pieces had the choir singing a C chord while two sopranos sang a descant of Db-Ab above it. Aside from sounding really cool, it was also a really difficult feat technically speaking as those are not intervals that are easily sung. It was quite the education, although I started to realize as I worked on my own music that I was no longer hearing dissonances the way I used to.