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Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by mistrial9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:55PM (#35427242)
nice try to pin the blame on the USA - of course USA is guilty, but also, who chooses this path.. You cannot say that the people who do this themselves, to their own, are not responsible.
Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by officeplant on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:24PM (#35427779)
We (The USA) are incredibly guilty of a lot of poor actions and choices in South America. Including active funding & training of multiple regime leaders over decades.

It's hard to choose a good path if a major world power is making sure all the good ones get shut down.

Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by mistrial9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:47PM (#35428211)
agree fully - that is why it is crucial that we have checks and balances on uniformed services, public process and the ability to speak out here. There were long and serious protests about the School of the Americas by US citizens in public. Here in this international discussion, it is not complete or wholly accurate IMHO to say "the USA did it" without knowing some context.
Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by the_af on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:51PM (#35428319)
> it is not complete or wholly accurate IMHO to say "the USA did it" without knowing some context

But this isn't what I said. I definitely didn't say "the USA did it". What I said was:

> always remember our militaries in Latin America were trained in these tactics by the US government

Which is both fair and accurate. The US was definitely involved one way or the other in most Latin American dictatorships of that era, enabling atrocities under the guise of fighting communism and insurgencies in their "back yard".

Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by mistrial9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:00PM (#35428482)
>> We (The USA) are incredibly guilty of a lot of poor actions and choices in South America.

> agree fully

.. The US was definitely involved one way ..

how are we not in agreement now?

Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by the_af on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:59PM (#35427313)
So you basically understand the US is guilty, but somehow assumed I was saying the people on Latin America who used this training to murder their own people are innocent?

Of course it requires two things: murderers and those willing to train and support them.

PS: "nice try" my ass. This piece of history I'm telling you is widely acknowledged, this is not some kind of conspiracy theory.

Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by mistrial9 on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:01PM (#35427364)
I apologize if I offended you or others, it is an upsetting chapter in history yes.
Re:Alibaba breaks itself up in six by the_af on Monday April 03, 2023 @01:10PM (#35427523)
Apology accepted.

To be clear: I do consider our dictators and murderers as worse people than those who trained them in the School of the Americas. Because, like you rightly put it, "who chooses this path?".