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Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by snapcaster on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:49AM (#35422614)
I think "commodity" laptop manufacturers have successfully tricked people into thinking a laptop is a collection of integers (16gb RAM, N core processor, etc) but I have NEVER used a laptop even close to as performant as the m1 and m1 ultra based macbook pros. You really have to experience it to believe it, it literally never lags no matter what or is ever unresponsive regardless of what i'm doing. Not to mention the full day battery life or anything else like that
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by notsound on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:42AM (#35423432)
It's definitely more complicated than that for most components, but a 256GB SSD you can't upgrade yourself is ridiculous.
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by blagie on Monday April 03, 2023 @09:50AM (#35423535)
I think the key problem is anchoring from low-end prices.

If a laptop makes an employee 1% more efficient, that has returns of $2k/year to the employer for an employee whose cost is $200k/year. Note that cost >> salary, so this corresponds to perhaps a $100k salary.

Reliability is king. A failed device will typically cost thousands of dollars in lost productivity, IT costs, etc. A device which fails at a critical moment can have almost arbitrary costs.

From a business perspective, Apple, Latitude / Precision / XPS, and Thinkpads are usually the only devices which make sense.

From a home perspective, there are plenty of $200 machines which get the job done. That's one of Apple's problems.

Another one is that most businesses spent a lot on upgrades during COVID, and those machines are still within their lifecycle. As we're entering a predicted recession, delaying upgrades is the #1 thing to go. Layoffs also mean there's a glut of machines (there's a ton of nice off-lease stuff on refurbished web sites right now at bottom-barrel prices; I saw a Precision laptop with 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Xeon, and NVidia Tesla for under $500 a few weeks back).

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by rwalle on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:01AM (#35423698)
16GB is objectively better than 8GB in every way even if you compare across platforms, so yes it is correctly a numbers game
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by DrBenCarson on Monday April 03, 2023 @02:41PM (#35429172)
16>8 but how you use 16 vs 8 also matters a lot (I.e., the OS)
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by aembleton on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @05:47AM (#35437218)
Doesn't the clockspeed of the RAM and the distance to the CPU matter?
Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by Vogtinator on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:57AM (#35424694)
> it literally never lags no matter what or is ever unresponsive regardless of what i'm doing

That's more the OS scheduling and userspace software than actual hardware. I don't experience any lag even on my father's 10yr old laptop.

Re:Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeti... by sudosysgen on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:19PM (#35426492)
The only difference is that the MacBook Pro has a higher refresh rate and a good SSD. Having used both I assure you a modern "N core" processor with 16gb of RAM, a fast NVMe SSD and a high refresh rate screen feels just as responsive as the latest MacBook Pro.