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Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by tallanvor on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:25AM (#35420679)
> What is replaced is a subway, bus, bike, or walking trip. Perhaps on some rare occasions a taxi/Uber. Apart from that last rare occasion, all other alternatives are MORE eco-friendly than the e-scooters.

I firmly believe that people running the scooter rental companies know that they can only succeed by destroying public transit. A survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars.

The detrimental affects on public transit, the relatively high injury rates, the disregard the riders have for the blind and handicapped who have to navigate around the scooters being left in the middle of the sidewalk, and just the sense of urban blight from them being left everywhere all add up to enough reason to ban the things.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by JumpCrisscross on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:29AM (#35420718)
> survey in Norway showed that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars

I’d be careful about extrapolating these results across cities. In most American cities, for example, I’m going to replace an e-scooter with an Uber.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by TheHappyOddish on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:07AM (#35421532)
Most of the modern world has common public transport, the US is a weird edge case.
Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by RestlessMind on Monday April 03, 2023 @12:41PM (#35426954)
You clearly haven't explored the modern world then. Or may have visited 3-5 cities and think you have seen it all. Some non-US metro areas where I found public transport to be inadequate based on my travels in the last 3-4 months - Toronto, Vancouver, Bangalore, Mumbai.
Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by TheHappyOddish on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:06PM (#35431965)
I've been to over 20 countries, many of which I'd consider modern world. I would have been to > 80 cities.

I spent months in both Vancouver and Torono without a car, and both have perfectly workable public transport systems, with Toronto's being a bit better. Both are better than every US city I've been to, and scooters replace neither.

India is a third world country with a pretty low standard of living. I haven't been to Bangalore or Mumbai, but I can't imagine them being relevant to this discussion.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by RestlessMind on Monday April 03, 2023 @06:55PM (#35432508)
> both have perfectly workable public transport systems

Only if you confine yourself to downtowns. Which is why I said metro areas.

> India is a third world country

It is a third world country with lots of modern parts. If you don't think Mumbai or Bangalore or modern cities, that just means you have a very different definition of what modern means.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by TheHappyOddish on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @06:13PM (#35446524)
You seems to have missed the context of this comment chain. We were discussing cities. I have no idea what a "metro" or "downtown" is.

> I’d be careful about extrapolating these results across cities. In most American cities, for example, I’m going to replace an e-scooter with an Uber.

I also never said modern cities, I said "the modern world", of which India would generally not be considered part of. I may have defined that poorly though, my bad.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by dolmen on Monday April 03, 2023 @07:25AM (#35421695)
> I firmly believe that people running the scooter rental companies know that they can only succeed by destroying public transit.

This is irrelevant for cities with dense metro network like Paris. Rental scooter and bikes are just complementing the public transit offer. They also allow to have a lower load in the public transit, which is a benefit in place where the public transit is already overloaded at rush hours.

Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by andrepd on Monday April 03, 2023 @08:10AM (#35422140)
I imagine you must feel the same way, but 20x stronger, about cars, right? Everything you said is even worse, only we've become accustomed to it and treat it as natural (one knocked over scooter? outrageous. 4 lanes of traffic and 2 of parking? par on course).
Re:Paris Votes to Ban Rental E-Scooters by 908B64B197 on Monday April 03, 2023 @11:21AM (#35425221)
> that over half of the trips on rental scooters replaced public transit, and less than 10% replaced trips in private cars.

But did it improve travel time?