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Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by butterisgood on Sunday April 02, 2023 @09:20AM (#35410214)
Depending on how much context switching I do in a day, it can really vary how exhausted I feel at the end of a work day. I get to a point where someone might tell me to remember 3 things at the grocery store and I’ll remember only one.

I should note that depending on the level of empathy or understanding of this situation, and argument can ensue after this further piling on the stress.

So I think things like this are really important to understand, and appreciate. This is real!

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by ChatPGT on Sunday April 02, 2023 @09:29AM (#35410290)
context switching is a nightmare
Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by zikduruqe on Sunday April 02, 2023 @10:33AM (#35410874)
And we as humans are terrible at it.

Time yourself writing sequential numbers 1 through X as fast as you can in 30 seconds. And note your results.

Then time yourself writing the alphabet A through .... as fast as you can in 30 seconds.

Now, in 30 seconds, write A1, B2, C3, D4.....

You would think it is easy to do this because you have been writing numbers and the alphabet your whole life, but context switching is hard.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by ChatPGT on Sunday April 02, 2023 @11:05AM (#35411252)
I don't even remember the alphabet completely from A to Z, because in my country they added K, W and Y some years after I had learned it as a child lol, so I never get the right sequence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by grrdotcloud on Sunday April 02, 2023 @11:25AM (#35411527)
That's interesting.

I show my students that cognitive abilities declined significantly with lack of oxygen. I have them do jumping jacks while reciting the alphabet backwards. There is often a 50% decrease in speed when they are working out.

I can recite the reverse alphabet almost as fast as forward without the added stress. While working out I can do it with a10% decrease. This leads me to believe that the additional stress can be compensated through drilling.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by 1659447091 on Sunday April 02, 2023 @12:11PM (#35412093)
> do jumping jacks while reciting the alphabet backwards

That would be one more classroom nightmare for me. The only way I can recite the alphabet is by singing that stupid song I learned in grade school. To do so backward, I would first have to sing forwards until I reached the next 'backwards' token, for each and every letter, so jumping jacks or not it would be at least 50% slower.

Even with the song I sometimes get stuck, but I also have a dyslexic mind and absolute hate any alphabet exercises. I would absolutely hate your class (but not you necessarily) and would spend my time in there counting down the school year to never have to go again.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by usual_science on Sunday April 02, 2023 @10:05PM (#35417679)
Are you from Brazil? I think something like that happened just before I learnt the alphabet...
Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by jstarfish on Sunday April 02, 2023 @04:26PM (#35414813)
No, it's only men that are terrible at it.

Adeptness at multitasking is inherent to the Genuine Female Experience, at least for those who survive to adulthood. Motherhood is finishing school. (And they're expected to cook. Cooking anything more complicated than grilled cheese is impossible and anybody that can do so is a heretic.)

Men can do it...but we just have to work harder at it to achieve anywhere close to the same results. Some excel. Most burn out.

It's the men that are dropping out of college. Women are doing just fine.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by goodpoint on Sunday April 02, 2023 @04:33PM (#35414884)
Please don't make things up.
Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by ChatPGT on Sunday April 02, 2023 @05:09PM (#35415239)
Source?
Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by Zecc on Monday April 03, 2023 @05:55AM (#35420919)
On the one hand I wrote down the whole thing easily in (I think) less than 30 seconds.

On the other hand I wrote Z25 (uh-oh) and I couldn't spot my mistake until I had the computer write it down too. All the letters were there. But I wrote down 16 twice and I didn't spot the error even afterwards because I was too focused on the letters.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by sumedh on Sunday April 02, 2023 @09:53AM (#35410490)
> Depending on how much context switching I do in a day

I always tell my wife that I am pretty tired because I was thinking too much, she finds that hard to belive because her job involves moving around and so a job where you sit all day is not tiring.

Now I have the science to prove my point :)

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by cromulent on Sunday April 02, 2023 @01:09PM (#35412700)
Surely if being tired was not about your brain, then sleeping would simply involve lying down, not being unconscious :)
Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by billti on Sunday April 02, 2023 @02:47PM (#35413798)
A day where I’m constantly dealing with incoming random crap that has me context switching all day leaves me exhausted and unhappy.

A day where I can shut that out and focus on a couple things intensely usually leaves me feeling energized and happy and like I actually did something productive.

I think a good manager tries to keep his team mostly in the second camp, but sadly means spending more of their own time in the first.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by jstarfish on Sunday April 02, 2023 @03:55PM (#35414458)
Remind her that she remains in much better shape than you because of it. She even retains the mental sharpness to try to call you out on it.

Once she's spent a decade behind a desk, the mere thought of doing anything will sound exhausting to her too. It's unnatural and physically deconditioning. The mind being the only "muscle" you exercise makes its unavailability doubly crippling...it's what gives your physical half its marching orders.

She may be dead on her feet at day's end, but if she saw a car coming at her she'd find the adrenaline to respond and move. Myself, I'd struggle to move past "is that really a car driving down the sidewalk? But cars are supposed to drive on the stre--".

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by veb on Sunday April 02, 2023 @04:46PM (#35415022)
Your last paragraph reminded me so much of an XKCD, haha.

In the past I've done a lot of landscaping work on the side, as well as development remotely. My old man has a landscaping company and obviously needs the help at times.

I gotta say also: if you spend your day cutting/pruning a hedge, cleaning the property up - you actually get to look back at all of that and go "Hell yeah, that looks awesome". I never get that feeling of accomplishment with the dev work. In the past, sure - when I've built something big. But it's just not the same. I can't really explain it more than that.

A couple of years ago I wasn't really paying attention where I was and I was on top of a 10m high Macrocarpa hedge that's... about 120 years old. Anyways, I fell off that straight down on to the footpath. Fortunately there was another (much smaller) hedge in the way that was about 100 years old too and that broke my fall except I parted the hedge so to speak. (We fixed it, wired it up and it grew back together). I managed to get up and walk away, I was very very lucky. Damn though I was wired up so much for the rest of the day, I felt like I could've done 50 marathons!

Since then I have stayed away from doing anything like that - because I am a software engineer really, I just have some skills in landscaping with certain tools but at the end of the day for me personally, getting say an injury from a fall or chainsaw would be devastating to my actual career.

If I spend all day programming (8hr)... I'm really buggered and I simply cannot even brain. Cook dinner? Ugh no. If I mow lawns all day and get home (6-7hr), I'm like "oooh what should I cook for dinner, I'll have this cold beer while I do that and ..." it's like COME ON BRAIN.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by nend on Sunday April 02, 2023 @10:03AM (#35410609)
>I get to a point where someone might tell me to remember 3 things at the grocery store and I’ll remember only one.

Too real. If someone gives me two or more items to get I tell them I'm not going without a list. If it's the end of a day, whatever I'm trying to remember just gets pushed out after fifteen minutes.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by jasfi on Sunday April 02, 2023 @10:06AM (#35410636)
Reduce context switching by batching similar tasks.

A broader version of this is only working on a single project for the whole day, or the whole week (if you have multiple projects to work on).

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by everythingswan on Sunday April 02, 2023 @02:04PM (#35413349)
I also communicate this to people I work with since I'm not always in full ownership of what needs to get done. I am highly capable of deeply working on several wildly different things per day but if I get pulled around too much, sometimes for great reasons, then I can't maintain the energy for as long as I would if I fully owned my work. I think it's a compromise I have reluctantly (yet happily) made: sometimes allowing this to happen and being individually less productive in order to remove bottlenecks for the org.

My biggest issue is when I use 100% of that context-switching capacity at work and then have little to give after work. It's cyclical that I do this well, then poorly, then well again. But it does feel like I'm doing this significantly better than I was 3-5 years ago.

Re:Thinking hard makes the brain tired by m463 on Sunday April 02, 2023 @04:18PM (#35414721)
What gets me is doing stupid things.

Sometimes its easier for me to take the long way around and fix a problem, than to do a short pointless workaround.