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Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by vidarh on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:02AM (#35409270)
My council tax in zone five for a mid range priced terraced 3 bedroom house is below £200 a month before the single person deduction (25%).

Literally the first search for a 1 bed property to rent in zone 5 (Croydon, specifically), showed up several around 1100/month. The furnished ones in the more expensive new-builds certainly are around the 1500/month range. Those are in band A, while my house is in band D, so even lower council tax, before taking into account the single person deduction.

E.g. a single person in a band A property in Croydon will pay around 1200/year in council tax. Varies by borough, of course.

Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by williamvds on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:21AM (#35409380)
I have to assume other young people, like myself, want a mostly furnished place because dragging a ton of furniture around is very annoying. Especially when you're forced to move around every few years because the rents keep hiking up.

And I don't think the adverted price are representative of how much you'd end up paying in just rent. My current place went up £200/mo from £1800/mo advertised, because the agent went back to us (and the other applicants), telling us other people's offers, and goading us into increasing our offer.

Anecdata: I share a 2 bed in Ealing, £2000/mo in just rent, council tax band D which adds about another month's rent a year. If I weren't working in finance and paying more to make up for my housemate's lower salary (my ~70k/yr to his ~£30k/yr) there's no way we'd be able to afford this place. We'd have to find somewhere in a worse location, with poorer quality, or both.

Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by vidarh on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:48AM (#35409556)
My girlfriend shares a 2 bed and pays 850/month for her share. If you want to live in the most attractive places, then sure, you will be bidding against people.

The point, though, was that lower prices are available. If you choose not to take advantage because it's not as convenient as you like, that's a valid choice (though if you opt for several hundred pounds difference a month to avoid calling a removals firm once every few years, I question that choice; been there, done that, it's not that much effort)

To be clear, housing prices in the UK are atrocious, even if it's possible to do better than the person above stated.

Personally I'd favour the government basically forcing prices down by guaranteeing to pour money into added construction until the market crashes. I'm saying that as a homeowner because for most people, me included, it'd be better if the prices come down so we can afford to trade up, and it'd be cheaper to provide for some limited bailouts for people left with mortgages under water, than to continue having this massive drag on the economy because it's now advantageous for developers to sit on land and wait for it to appreciate before building as an exit (e.g. one of the plots near my local station that is finally being built on now was standing empty for over a decade before the owner of the land started doing anything).

Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by iamacyborg on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:18AM (#35409358)
Yeah but then you live in Croydon.
Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by vidarh on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:28AM (#35409441)
I've lived in Croydon for 20 years, after living multiple other places in London. While it has some real shitholes, it also has plenty of great places. Most of Croydons reputation is down to places most people who live in Croydon never see.

The 1100/month flats I saw were in calm, green, solidly middle class areas with walking distance to several large parks, shops, and great transport links.

Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by airpoint on Sunday April 02, 2023 @08:54AM (#35410010)
Most of Croydons reputation is down to crime rate mate. Overall third highest in London and especially significant and growing in the violence against the person category.
Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by vidarh on Sunday April 02, 2023 @09:04AM (#35410086)
And again: Mostly in areas most people in Croydon don't frequent. Croydon is large, and ranges from leafy suburbs with private roads and mansions to run down estates.
Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by airpoint on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:15PM (#35470526)
You are right on this one. TIL how big Croydon actually is! Thanks!
Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by vidarh on Sunday April 02, 2023 @12:07PM (#35412034)
In addition to my other reply, what's your source for the crime rate?

This [1] and this [2] suggests Croydon is about halfway down the borough list per capita, with matched better what I remember from looking at Met numbers in the past. Croydon is the second most populous London borough, so in absolute number of crimes it is usually high up the list, but per capita it's for a long time been pretty much middle of the road, again pulled up by the poorer parts of the borough (particularly, as far as I remember, the Northernmost parts most urban parts, and estates like Addington and Fieldway.

[1] https://www.finder.com/uk/london-crime-statistics#london-cri...

[2] https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/most-violent...

Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by airpoint on Thursday April 06, 2023 @12:13PM (#35470493)
Same stats, different angle. It can be explained both ways.
Re:UK Treasury trying to find a Head of Cyber Security for £55k by xenocratus on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:28AM (#35409434)
I pay £1550pcm in a fairly new build in Stratford/Olympic Park, ~60sqm. Used to pay the same (until January) for ~55sqm in Canada Water, but for an older build. These are 1 bed flats I'm talking about.

I do have to say, though, the process of finding them was quite stressful.