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Re:NYPD is refusing to comply with NYC’s new surveillance te... by zdragnar on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:20AM (#35388431)
Most cities that started to follow through on either scrapping their police force or cutting their funding saw a massive spike in crime, and even those mayors and city councillors who were adamantly defund-the-police types are now begging for more money for the police and for police officers to come back out of retirement or from the other cities they moved to.

The public turned on the movement when the movement turned on the public. Minneapolis neighborhoods were faced with turning into food deserts after looting caused enough damage to force the grocery stores to close for nearly a year (smoke and water damage).

Some stores partner with non-governmental community peace organizations (i.e. civilized gangs) to reduce the need for police presence, and it is slowly working.

Others haven't been so lucky. A Walmart recent closed in a suburb because it needed to call police nearly 6,500 times over the course of 5 years. That was after other local retail outlets had also closed.

Social fabric in some areas is just fundamentally torn, and there's nobody with a good solution.

Re:NYPD is refusing to comply with NYC’s new surveillance te... by giraffe_lady on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:25AM (#35388519)
Which cities were those, that started to follow through on defunding?

Cities that increased funding are also experiencing the crime spike. It's a national phenomenon. Also one that apparently police can't prevent because, again, more police haven't prevented it.

Re:NYPD is refusing to comply with NYC’s new surveillance te... by zdragnar on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:41AM (#35388796)
Over 20 major cities cut or moved funding in some way by 2021: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-de...
Re:NYPD is refusing to comply with NYC’s new surveillance te... by chimeracoder on Friday March 31, 2023 @12:04PM (#35389146)
> Over 20 major cities cut or moved funding in some way by 2021

That's a misleading way of talking about those numbers, and in fact the source linked within the article shows the exact opposite.

For example, it cites New York as an example of a city which "reduced" police funding. Except New York famously didn't - they simply moved SROs to the Department of Education instead. Total funding for police actually increased - it just was reported on a different line in the budget.

Re:NYPD is refusing to comply with NYC’s new surveillance te... by chimeracoder on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:59AM (#35389057)
> Most cities that started to follow through on either scrapping their police force or cutting their funding saw a massive spike in crime

This is factually incorrect. Every major city in the country increased funding for police between 2019-2021. None defunded the police. Some made temporary adjustments in 2020 due to pandemic changes, but every single one was reversed by a subsequent increase over baseline levels for the 202-2021 or 2021-2022 cycle, depending on when the city's fiscal year falls.

Minneapolis is the only one which even voted to permanently defunded the police, but that was reversed before it went into effect.