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Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by WorldPeas on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:40AM (#35387007)
Interesting read, I'm surprised these tubes are so fast considering my one remaining filament bulb always takes a few seconds to warm up after being switched on. Do these use a different filament type?
Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by somat on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:10PM (#35403097)
I think the filament stays on and you switch what cathode is being used.

edit, I just read the wikipedia page on nixie tubes, there is no filament, despite looking like one it is not a thermionic vacuum tube. it is a cold cathode gas discharge lamp. so one anode with many switched cathodes.

Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by ilyt on Saturday April 01, 2023 @07:10PM (#35405114)
Nixies don't emit light by heating, it's closer to neon tube
Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by WorldPeas on Monday April 03, 2023 @10:02AM (#35423724)
That clears things up, although I'm curious now why a VFD wouldn't be better
Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by ilyt on Tuesday April 04, 2023 @10:36AM (#35440316)
I think the answer is that they are making Nixie tubes:

https://www.daliborfarny.com/project/custom-nixie-tube-for-k...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nHkhJ52iA4

Obvious choice would not be VFDs or nixies but plain LEDs I'd imagine.

Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by undersolved5 on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:13PM (#35403128)
For those wondering why Nasa would even consider using Nixie Tubes, here is quick summary. NASA was interested in using Nixie tubes as a calibration display because of their high precision and accuracy in displaying numerical information. The Nixie tubes were specifically used to display time codes for video cameras that were being calibrated for use in space missions.

The Nixie tubes were chosen because they are capable of displaying numerals with high accuracy and resolution, making them ideal for calibrating high-precision instruments like video cameras. In addition, the tubes are highly reliable and have a long lifespan, which makes them suitable for use in space missions where repair or replacement is difficult or impossible.

Furthermore, the article mentions that the use of Nixie tubes for this purpose was also driven by a desire to incorporate vintage technology into modern applications, in this case, space exploration. By using Nixie tubes, NASA was able to achieve both the high precision required for their calibration needs while also incorporating a unique and interesting visual element.

Overall, the use of Nixie tubes by NASA for calibration purposes demonstrates the continued relevance and utility of this vintage technology in modern applications. Really cool.

Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by tablespoon on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:42PM (#35403409)
I won't believe it at least until see a reference to this item NASA itself, and even then, I'd still be skeptical. It's getting filed under "April Fools."
Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by cbsks on Saturday April 01, 2023 @05:53PM (#35404481)
This comment smells like GPT. Are you a real person, undersolved5?
Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by joezydeco on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:18PM (#35403190)
I'm curious about the Uncertainty gauge and what measurement drives it.
Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by qwezxcrty on Saturday April 01, 2023 @03:28PM (#35403290)
I don't get it, LEDs can be trivially modulated to MHz, why nixies? April fool?

I would imagine having a couple of FPGAs, toggling 7 segment LED displays can easily do the same thing.

Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by colechristensen on Saturday April 01, 2023 @09:21PM (#35406102)
Can they actually be turned on/off to a brightness useful for displaying time? Modulating in a way useful to transmit data is different than a display useful for a high speed camera.
Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by qwezxcrty on Sunday April 02, 2023 @07:50AM (#35409581)
Modulating a LED at a high depth will certainly have the required visual effect, as the frequency response curves found in literature are practically flat from DC to tens of MHz. For obvious reason, most people are interested only in data communication applicantions. No one bothers to try doesn't mean we can't resonably expect it will work.

As we all know, modern LEDs (or even semiconductor lasers), the achievable brightness is very high.

Besides, I would be very surprised that such a modern high speed camera system doesn't come with triggering inputs that allows trivial digital generation of timestamps.

Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by Luc on Saturday April 01, 2023 @04:39PM (#35403851)
I don't think it's an April Fools.

- They have a tiny GPS disciplined timing source by Brandywine Communications sitting next to the display. Brandywine supply very precise timing gadgets.

- They're in Czechia but the box is powered by 110V.

- The camera shooting the sole Nixie tube is a Photron by the looks of it.

- There's a video :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK3E55fytC0

- There's a picture posted by a NASA employee: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=5110589098977129&set...

Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by mkj on Sunday April 02, 2023 @03:17AM (#35408023)
A slight tangent - is there any reason filament LEDs couldn't be fashioned into a Nixie Tube style number form? That seems like it might have the same nicely curved aesthetic but be easier to manufacture.

I'd assumed there would be some from the wonders of Shenzhen, but googling it seems not yet.

Re:Calibration Display for NASA (2019) by archivisti on Sunday April 02, 2023 @03:48PM (#35414386)
Steins Gate clock