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Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by rbanffy on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:24AM (#35386801)
> For example, a Chevy Bolt has a lithium ion battery to power the drivetrain and a conventional lead-acid battery for the accessories.

This seems like an odd choice - unless you already bought a supply of lead-acid batteries for the next 50 years or so.

I've read about a car using supercapacitors in the regenerative brakes to capture energy at high current and, then let it trickle back into the main batteries (or drivetrain) at levels that won't damage it.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by Retric on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:36AM (#35386958)
This is a classic, it isn’t broken don’t fix it situation.

Many laptops had both a lithium ion battery and a watch battery used to keep the bios and an internal clock running after the battery died. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/why-does-my-motherboard-have-a...

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by Someone on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:44AM (#35388843)
That was a bit of a necessity. Users wouldn’t want their clock to reset when they swapped batteries, and you couldn’t be sure the machine was connected to a time server to set the time at boot.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by xxs on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:51AM (#35387156)
The 12v lane is ubiquitous, and standardized. Supercaps are inefficient when it comes to storage per weight and volume, discharge rate too.

Both lead acid and supercaps are not even remotely comparable to the main liion battery, they're suppliments, and not interesting ones

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by rbanffy on Saturday April 01, 2023 @08:59AM (#35399982)
The supercaps aren't for long-term storage - just long enough to allow the extra juice to flow back to the batteries. Racing cars sometimes do that with flywheels.

As for 12V, all one needs is a regulator. Unless you have a long-term supply contract (that, I bet, won't be renewed for too long), a lead-acid battery is just dead weight.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by briffle on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:52AM (#35387168)
It could be great if you were a car manufacturer that already had an existing, very large supply chain for lights, dashboard, powered window motors, and other accessories, that were already 12 volt.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by rbanffy on Saturday April 01, 2023 @08:55AM (#35399946)
But unless you have a already contracted lifetime supply of lead-acid batteries, a buck converter is much cheaper, and lighter.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by sorenjan on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:52AM (#35387175)
Tesla switched from lead-acid to 12V lithium ion their S and X models in 2021. James May had some issues with his Tesla when the 12V battery went flat.

https://insideevs.com/news/546087/tesla-liion-12v-auxiliary-...

https://youtu.be/NsKwMryKqRE

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by jandrese on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:09AM (#35388256)
Tesla is also switching to 48V for the accessories.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by dreamcompiler on Friday March 31, 2023 @03:10PM (#35391897)
This was the best news I heard at Tesla investor day. It should simplify and cut the cost of the in-cabin wiring.

When Sandy Munro interviewed Elon Musk a couple of years ago he said "Why are you still using 12v stuff in the cabin?"

Musk's answer was that the automotive supply chain was entirely geared around 12v equipment and they had to take advantage of that to get to market quickly.

I'm glad those days are almost over.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by robocat on Friday March 31, 2023 @04:57PM (#35393555)
Isn’t there a whole trucking supply chain geared around 24 Volts?
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by rbanffy on Saturday April 01, 2023 @08:57AM (#35399959)
All it'd take is a middle terminal in a 24V battery to make it a 12/24V one.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by robocat on Sunday April 02, 2023 @04:38AM (#35408442)
That would run the risk of unbalanced batteries. I had a small truck years ago, and everything was 24V as far as I recall.