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Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by alkonaut on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:04AM (#35386516)
The powerwall use case will only grow when people get solar panels and when rural areas in countries lacking power infrastructure eletrify. But while that use case doesn't care as much about weight, bulk, charge rate and % capacity as car batteries, in return they are very sensitive to cost and the market will (depending on how cheaply recycling can be done) likely be filled with used car-batteries with degraded capacity.

If you invent a battery that is 2x as large and heavy as current vehicle batteries but half the cost, then you might think you would be able to sell them for stationary storage, but you are then competing with the price of second hand vehicle batteries which may well be half price already.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by sorenjan on Friday March 31, 2023 @09:56AM (#35387233)
One drawback of using lots of lithium batteries in your home is that they might experience thermal runaway and burn your house down. Not having to worry about that should have some additional value.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by RRRA on Friday March 31, 2023 @10:14AM (#35387457)
Most new solar installations now use LiFePO4 which apparently is much safer on that runaway side...
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by sorenjan on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:11AM (#35388298)
That's good, but is that what's used in "used car-batteries with degraded capacity"?
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by samtho on Friday March 31, 2023 @01:22PM (#35390150)
Used car batteries are conventional unsealed, lead-acid batteries. Lithium-iron-phosphate (aka LiFePO4, LFP) batteries is a different battery chemistry altogether. It is touted as the answer to a deep-cycle, lithium-based electrical storage that the traditional lead acid batteries occupy.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by xsmasher on Friday March 31, 2023 @03:14PM (#35391970)
I think they mean used EV batteries - EV batteries that are at the end of their useful life in cars.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by samtho on Friday March 31, 2023 @03:33PM (#35392274)
That makes more sense.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by BirAdam on Friday March 31, 2023 @11:59AM (#35389063)
Also way better cycle life, but the density is slightly lower.