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Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by ngrilly on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:04AM (#35385191)
Some applications still require higher energy densities than what LFP can provide. Are you saying silicon anodes are more promising than solid state for those applications?
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by Tade0 on Friday March 31, 2023 @07:40AM (#35385530)
My position is as follows:

-LFP wins on price where it fits the use case, so grid storage, current-gen EVs.

-Silicon anode competes for market share with solid-state in areas where LFP can't, namely aerospace and next-gen EVs or even aviation, should they ever reach 1kWh/kg. The former has easily a decade lead considering that they're already selling packs and the latter exists largely in the lab or on paper.

I also believe even 400Wh/kg at pack level is already good enough to be a serious proposition as replacement for internal combustion in land transportation, provided pricing is adequate.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by ngrilly on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:05AM (#35385782)
I totally agree with your position on LFP, and about 400 Wh/kg being enough to unlock some applications.

But I’m not fully convinced on silicon anodes versus solid state. Yes, energy density is very promising, but I understand capacity fade is still a huge problem due to silicon volume expansion/reduction while charging/discharging?

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by Tade0 on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:34AM (#35386125)
That's the problem they've solved here using nanowires - the cells have a 200-1200 cycle life depending on operating conditions - I suppose the range is so wide because of the temperature range - -30°C - 55°C. It's not surprising to see cells degrade fast at the hotter end of this spectrum.

For EVs they advertise cells with no less than 410Wh/L, 4C rate of discharge.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by naasking on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:32AM (#35386104)
Is there still a fire risk with LFP? From my understanding, solid state batteries have a large safety advantage here because of this.
Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by Tade0 on Friday March 31, 2023 @08:36AM (#35386159)
Yes - LFP still uses a flammable, liquid electrolyte - usually ethylene carbonate.

That being said LFP survives the nail penetration test without causing a fire, so it's considerably safer than the usual alternatives.

Re:Solid-State Battery Has 2x the Energy–and No Anode by panick21_ on Friday March 31, 2023 @01:01PM (#35389966)
LFP cathodes and silicon or 'solid state' aka lithium metal anodes are not incompatible.