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Re:Open source espresso machine is one delicious rabbit hole... by criddell on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:17AM (#35372200)
Espresso is a little different. When you grind is important but how you grind is just as important. An inexpensive hand grinder can work but cheap electric grinders generally cannot.
Re:Open source espresso machine is one delicious rabbit hole... by javajosh on Thursday March 30, 2023 @09:36AM (#35372477)
Yes. I was shocked at how much a good grinder improved my coffee. I thought it might be a slight improvement, and I felt potentially stupid spending the money. But it was a 2x or 3x improvement. The only other variable that has a similar impact are the beans themselves. I'm not entirely convinced that the espresso maker itself has a huge impact, but given my (proved-wrong) skepticism about the grinder's impact, it may be worth looking into.

Or, as I see the mountain of stuff required to make high-quality specialty coffee at home, I may do what James Hoffman does and just do drip coffee. There is wisdom in the old, simple ways, and the $4k you can easily spend on a full setup is 1000 espressos made by a professional with bar better, more consistent equipment and tons of practice.

Re:Open source espresso machine is one delicious rabbit hole... by dfxm12 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:03AM (#35373721)
espressos made by a professional with bar better, more consistent equipment and tons of practice.

There are a lot of coffee shops near me. I'm surprised at how bad some of the espressos are, a lot too sour, some too bitter. Prices keep going up. You can count the break even point in terms of money, sure, but in my house, the espresso machine paid for itself almost instantly in terms of satisfaction.

Re:Open source espresso machine is one delicious rabbit hole... by Reason077 on Thursday March 30, 2023 @11:05AM (#35373765)
Cheap electric grinders with spinning blades (ie: spice grinders) make poor espresso coffee because they do not produce consistent sized grounds. You will tend to have a mix of small and big chunks in your grounds.

But for not much more money you can get an affordable electric burr grinder (like the Delonghi KG79) which will give a good, consistent grind with much less effort than a hand grinder.