TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse

Re:TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse by amatecha on Thursday March 30, 2023 @12:08AM (#35367828)

Yeh, the grip of both govt and business will gradually wear down everything that made it amazing in its infancy. It has been sad to watch gradually unfold. Keep using and propagating open software and hardware, I guess. Not sure what else one can do. I mean, we can vote and rally and raise awareness but like, the largest forces in society basically guarantee the "enshittification" (as Doctorow puts it) of the net, sadly.

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Re:TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse by acuozzo on Thursday March 30, 2023 @12:49AM (#35368131)

> Not sure what else one can do.

Participate in the formation of a giant decentralized mesh network with strong privacy/security/anonymity guarantees all the way down the stack and work to make it ridiculously accessible & user-friendly?

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Re:TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse by matheusmoreira on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:14AM (#35368344)

Then the government makes the operation of such things illegal and since they use radio they can home in directly on the signal.

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Re:TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse by amatecha on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:18AM (#35368371)

Right, I literally started thinking about exactly this line of thinking: mesh networking, E2EE, etc.. but it'll just be outlawed and no one will participate in it. It's coming, it really is just a matter of time. It will probably take longer than we expect, and then suddenly it will just be.

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Re:TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse by prmoustache on Thursday March 30, 2023 @05:02AM (#35369919)

They'll call it the dark mesh and show images of faceless people wearing hoodies and doing stuff in the dark with their computers.

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Re:TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse by acuozzo on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:26PM (#35376202)

I normally agree with counterarguments rooted in the state's monopoly on violence, but in this case other options for the PHY layer exist.

Seamless multi-PHY is possible if care is taken to prevent leaks in the abstraction e.g. precise timing expectations up the stack.

Plus, plenty of side channels exist with our conventional PHY. You can copy beacon frames from nearby 802.11 APs and rebroadcast them at just the right time to achieve transmission of an FSK modulated signal, for instance.

(In this case there would just be more of the same beacon frames in the air. You'd have to look at what the AP advertises as its broadcast interval to know that they don't belong there. Furthermore, you wouldn't be able to easily pinpoint the source of the extra transmissions or decrypt their content under a well-designed protocol.)

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Re:TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse by nico on Thursday March 30, 2023 @02:08AM (#35368703)

This is actually exactly what GPT suggested. It even gave me python 3 code to run an LLM in a distributed mesh network of Raspberry Pis, which could pull together resources dynamically to infer prompts from nodes in the network.

Super fascinating. It gives directions and code to setup the devices and everything.

I asked it how could a benign AI spread without fear of being shutdown while trying to help humanity.

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Re:TikTok Ban Bill Is Patriot Act 2.0 Trojan Horse by prmoustache on Thursday March 30, 2023 @05:12AM (#35369990)

These kind of network already exists.

Some examples:

Guifi [Spain] http://guifi.net/en/what_is_guifinet

Freifunk [Germany-Austria-Switzerland] https://freifunk.net/en/

Ninux [Italy] http://map.ninux.org/

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