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Re:'Ultramassive' black hole discovered – bigger than the ma... by PaulHoule on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:32PM (#35360478)
The puzzle here is that astronomers have no clear picture of how these ultra massive black holes are formed so early in the evolution of the universe. if you wait long enough galactic black holes can eat stars, gas, and other black holes, but early one it is conjectured there were ‘Population III’ stars that grew rapidly because radiation transport was different when there were tiny amounts of elements heavier than helium (‘metals’ in astronomer lingo.)

Pop III stars are a bit less mysterious than dark matter but they could have played important roles in the early universe.

Re:'Ultramassive' black hole discovered – bigger than the ma... by Arwill on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @02:31PM (#35361276)
The hypothesis is that these black holes were not created from stars, but exists from right after the big bang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_black_hole

Re:'Ultramassive' black hole discovered – bigger than the ma... by PaulHoule on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @03:17PM (#35361912)
One of the hypotheses. Pop III stars could have gotten pretty big but probably not as big as that one. Hopefully JWST will turn up some direct evidence for them.
Re:'Ultramassive' black hole discovered – bigger than the ma... by chongli on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @04:43PM (#35363295)
Yeah, the issue is that when large amounts of matter gathers into the accretion disk of a black hole it creates more and more friction as it falls in. This friction generates a lot of heat (and therefore pressure) which pushes back on the in-falling matter, slowing down the accretion process. If there's an overwhelming amount of matter the accretion will disk will get so jammed up and energetic the black hole will start firing off high-energy relativistic jets from its poles.

If you start with a stellar black hole of say 10 solar masses and then throw millions of solar masses of material at it, the above processes will slow things down dramatically, and you won't be able to get a supermassive black hole instantly.

Re:'Ultramassive' black hole discovered – bigger than the ma... by s0ph0n on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @11:23PM (#35367503)
what if those old giant blackholes were created by all the missing antimatter that we dont see in the CMBR.
Re:'Ultramassive' black hole discovered – bigger than the ma... by midoridensha on Thursday March 30, 2023 @03:16AM (#35369198)
>The puzzle here is that astronomers have no clear picture of how these ultra massive black holes are formed so early in the evolution of the universe.

Perhaps we're in a black hole now, and the universe only seems "young" (its current age of ~13B years) because that's when it fell into the black hole.

Re:'Ultramassive' black hole discovered – bigger than the ma... by aceazzameen on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:41PM (#35379841)
Oh man, you're breaking my brain.
Re:'Ultramassive' black hole discovered – bigger than the ma... by Sakos on Thursday March 30, 2023 @06:16AM (#35370447)
Another theory is that black holes (or some black holes) are what we understand under dark energy.

https://phys.org/news/2023-02-scientists-evidence-black-hole...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGe5qvIzjTY