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Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by goldfeld on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:04AM (#35357447)
Yes, just as ridiculous as anyone who would have been against the 80s push to take fat out of dairy and pour in the lab sugar!

Why not stuff our stomachs with even more lab stuff? Why not, in any case reducing actual meat consumptions is an atrocious regulatory suggestion, the robofarmingoverlords can do whatever with their urban sheep in america. They will even be praised for it! Because those robots move fast and break everything, bro.

I say, good for Italy and France's children that those peoples have any conscience at all, even when it's out of a heritage feeling, and about the traditional producers of those things. Once you starve off the centuries-old families who know the recipes, let me suggest that AI cannot ever bring them back to life.

Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by Kalium on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:17AM (#35357643)
https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b...

Given that this is also current news, I think that might cast this in a slightly different light. Much of the heritage is modern myth-making, rather than centuries-old recipes known only to a handful of families. The feeling of heritage is real, but the history invented.

It seems to be national identity and the politics of nationalism in a food-based disguise, rather than sincere concerns for the authenticity of authentic and historic cuisine.

Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by goldfeld on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:24AM (#35357738)
It's true that it is always about politics, and lately, populism, all over the world (not that I feel too bad about some leftist populism being able to outvote fascists, as in my country of late, the weapons race of voting almost require a degree of over-appealing to win, since even middle classes are so brain-poor today).

Still, the population can have true feelings, if not the politicians, and they have to find the cold hearted suits who will defend their interest, for whatever distorted motives the suits might accrue, so it's a question of ends, not means, sadly. We're on a post-morality world who gives a shitty shit about some classical philosophu unless a youtuber can explain it in under three minutes. After all, maybe AI citizens will be more civic minded, ahem.

Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by kmlx on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:19AM (#35357666)
that's a great article.

> Everything I, an Italian, thought I knew about Italian food is wrong

> From panettone to tiramisu, many ‘classics’ are in fact recent inventions, as Alberto Grandi has shown

Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by kmlx on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:18AM (#35357652)
> Why not stuff our stomachs with even more lab stuff?

more? everything is genetically modified in order to support the current (and future) population levels: https://www.fda.gov/food/agricultural-biotechnology/gmo-crop...

and crops themselves have been selectively grown for the past 30 000 years: https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/crops_evol...

> I say, good for Italy and France's children that those peoples have any conscience at all

it's run of the mill populism, not conscience. there is no conscience in denying science.

Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by paxys on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:22AM (#35357710)
I assume you'll also be in favor of banning all medication then? Or is "lab stuff" only bad when there is paid propaganda against it?
Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by goldfeld on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @12:26PM (#35359536)
Lab stuff is bad when you make it a habit of daily or weekly consumption just because alternatives were never considered. I never take any medication for sleeping, for instance, but use a powerful herb as tea. Sleep drugs, allergy drugs, are factors of early senility. If there is a medical condition that requires a drug, of course it should be taken. Otherwise I treat "medication" somewhat like a drug, you know, cocaine or some such. But banning drugs that save lives or enhance conditions is not a smart thing. Lab meat will ever save zero lives and enhance no health.
Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by samtho on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @10:20AM (#35357690)
> Yes, just as ridiculous as anyone who would have been against the 80s push to take fat out of dairy and pour in the lab sugar!

> Why not stuff our stomachs with even more lab stuff? Why not, in any case reducing actual meat consumptions is an atrocious regulatory suggestion, the robofairrmingoverlords can do whatever with the urban sheep in america.

Your argument is nothing more than the Naturalistic Fallacy. In a single broad stroke, you've implied that everything lab-made or somehow engineered is bad because it is unnatural. We are able to feed large population due in large part to fertilizers we have developed and GMO (i.e. selective breeding, but faster) crops and we have developed vaccines that have all but eradicated Smallpox and Polio off the face the earth. Yet you cite as evidence the obvious issues with the fat/sugar balance of foods in the 80s, which has been largely attributed to the sugar cane lobby, as "human-made = bad" going as far to claim a wild conspiracy.

This is not skepticism - this is FUD.

Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by goldfeld on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @04:05PM (#35362652)
I realize my tone was a bit offensive, but yes I am a naturalist by any meaning of that word. In fact if you knew me you'd call me a complete utter quack, so misaligned are my views with mainstream tech worldviews. What I know about GMOs is that the GMO variety of bananas here (the natural base called Prata, the GMO I don't remember) is tasteless and has awful texture compared to its base species, which is delicious and creamy.

Avocados the same, I don't know if GMO but the selection breeds in supermarkets, local or imported, cannot compare to the weird little avocados which only grow on my father's ranch during autumn (now). They are superior to every type I bought except those from an organic shop I got once, but they don't show when they ripen, they do not go soft. the skin just blackens and cracks finally when it is all but rotten. How could supermarkets educate a public to know how to buy these anyway, but it stands that they are much more creamy and tasty.

I love vaccines and I am not a flatearther or right wing conspiracist, I love all good worthy science anyhow.

Re:Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage by samtho on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @11:01PM (#35367355)
I think I’m more on guard these days on HN which led me to be a bit too hasty in my judgement, I am sorry.