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Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by jjav on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @03:02AM (#35353641)
> It's extremely linear, modulo speed.

On flat land. Throw in hills and the number of projected range miles used by every real mile goes up very quickly.

I don't remember the specific numbers anymore, but we had two Fiat 500e cars and commuting over a mountain drained a lot of projected miles even though the climb was just a few miles.

Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by martijnvds on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @03:22AM (#35353771)
You regain a bunch of miles on the way down though, through gravity and regenerative braking.
Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by jjav on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @03:39AM (#35353875)
Unfortunately, very little.

I went back to look for my notes on this and this is what I experienced: The Fiat would use up about 30-40 miles of indicated range to go uphill less than 10 miles. But it would only regenerate 2-3 miles (of indicated range) on the downhill side.

Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by djaychela on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @08:38AM (#35356346)
Not my experience in my Zoe. You get nearly all of it back on the long climb and then descent which I often used to do before I moved.
Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by Yizahi on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @04:35AM (#35354258)
And weather. My colleague has a Leaf, his range is cut by a 30-40% in winter, and he is saving on the heating too to save range, so it is double uncomfortable.
Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by stickfigure on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @09:15AM (#35356781)
The Leaf is somewhat famous for having poor battery management; it's one reason we avoided them. I don't think a used Leaf could handle a 50mi roundtrip commute, especially with a 10yo battery.

The Fiat does have a range penalty for cold weather (it occasionally gets below freezing in the part of California I live in) and running the heater (one way; usually it's warm enough by the trip home). My wife still gets home with > 10%.

Keep in mind this is a 10yo car with an 80mi range; newer cars have bigger batteries.

Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by sundvor on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @11:44PM (#35367657)
Kudos on making it work for you! It's a great example you don't have to have the latest and greatest to drive electric.
Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by stickfigure on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @09:08AM (#35356700)
Commutes are extremely predictable, it's the same every day.
Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by logifail on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @09:29AM (#35357005)
> Commutes are extremely predictable, it's the same every day.

Tell that to my colleague, who due to an accident near a major junction, took over an hour to travel a key couple of miles on his commute home from work yesterday.

Some journeys are "predictably unpredictable" during rush hour.

Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by Kirby64 on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @11:27AM (#35358643)
Well, the good news about an EV is that if you're creeping along at barely any speed, the consumption is going to be way lower than a comparable gas car. Basically all you're using is AC/heat. A gas car comparably is much less efficient while idling.