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Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by elif on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @01:56AM (#35353185)
Okay, I'll track all my expenses here for you:

My 2012 leaf has never been in a shop other than a tire shop. I haven't even had to change brake pads.

My 2004 Volvo and 2003 ranger were constantly throwing errors I spent thousands chasing, some of which required replacing the same part twice. Oh and don't forget about oil changes.

Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by BeetleB on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @12:27PM (#35359539)
How much did you spend on those tires?

Also, if you haven't changed brake pads, I wonder how many miles you've driven it. Was this your primary car?

For me a Leaf wasn't an option. I can't go smaller than a Corolla/Civic, and prefer an Accord sized car - that's what I compared prices with EV.

Still, here are my numbers from 2012 onwards:

Repairs + maintenance = $5173.75 (includes tire changes). Gas = $9480.13 (about 110K miles)

Now the Leaf MSRP in 2012 was $36K. The equivalent sized Yaris was $17K. When you factor in tax benefits, the extra repairs the Yaris would need, and adjust the cost for fuel, it's not obvious that the Leaf was a better buy. Also, the real maintenance/repair costs would be significantly lower than what I quoted above, because those repairs were due to buying fairly old cars.

(And then factor in how much I actually spent on purchasing cars in that time period because I bought used: $12500 and the Leaf looks even less appealing).

Of course, the Yaris is way better if going out of town.

Anecdata, but everyone I know who bought a Leaf till about 2016 said it was not usable as a primary car - too short a range in cold weather. One person said "I can't commute to work and back, and do errands, without recharging."

As for Volvo/Ranger: Do you not take some responsibility for those purchasing decisions? When I was buying my first car, I was told to stay away from BMW, Mercedes, and Volvo. I was a student and was told I'd never be able to afford even minor repairs. In fact, a friend who was an engineer in Austin at the time bought a used Mercedes, and soon after the AC stopped working. He never got it fixed - he would use it only in the winter while he drove his Corolla the rest of the year.

Regarding the Ranger: I'm looking at reliability scores and they're poor, even for brand new ones.

Re:The EV Transition Is Harder Than Anyone Thinks by elihu on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:28AM (#35368448)
> Also, if you haven't changed brake pads, I wonder how many miles you've driven it. Was this your primary car?

I don't know about Leafs specifically, but brake pads usually last a long time in EVs due to regenerative braking. You might not use brakes at all if you can avoid doing any hard stops.