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Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by pjc50 on Monday March 27, 2023 @04:48AM (#35324368)
We never did find out who leaked the security camera footage from inside a "secure area" of Matt Hancock, UK health secretary, kissing his aide: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/matt-hancock-...

A horrifyingly large amount of UK political decision-making that should be minuted is instead carried out secretly on whatsapp.

Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by blitzar on Monday March 27, 2023 @09:33AM (#35326497)
Your two statements seem to be a contradiction - decision meetings should be public, but the meeting where you are getting a blowie from your assistant on the sofa in your office should be private?
Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by themitigating on Monday March 27, 2023 @09:42AM (#35326584)
What does the second act have to do with corruption or information that is useful for the public?
Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by JacobThreeThree on Monday March 27, 2023 @09:45AM (#35326616)
When a government official doesn't abide by his own lockdown rules, that's corruption.
Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by themitigating on Monday March 27, 2023 @04:28PM (#35332012)
why?

If a politician votes for a law that reduces the speed limit to 50mph then is caught speeding is that corruption?

I think corruption is when someone abuses their position of power. This isn't abuse they just violated their own rules.

Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by LawTalkingGuy on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @03:14AM (#35353722)
It's corruption because they know they won't be punished.

If more laws were objective (like speeding) and politicians were as surveilled as everyone else it wouldn't be an issue.

Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by themitigating on Wednesday March 29, 2023 @06:17PM (#35364628)
You're misusing the word objective and corruption is an abuse of power not hypocrisy.

Also speeding is a bad example since the cops let people off all the time

Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by LawTalkingGuy on Thursday March 30, 2023 @01:28AM (#35368446)
It is an abuse of power when they support laws they know they won't be charged with even if caught. The hypocrisy is also annoying, but not the main problem.

> Also speeding is a bad example since the cops let people off all the time

That's why I said "and surveilled".

Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by blitzar on Monday March 27, 2023 @12:33PM (#35328781)
If a lawmaker creates a law to make something illegal, sends police to prosecute the population doing said thing, affirms that arresting people for having a cup of coffee is absolutely the intention of writing the law - that is perfectly reasonable.

If at the same time they are breaking the law they created - that is corruption. For the people prosecuted for said crime with trials pending, it is information that is useful for them to know that the lawmaker conducted themselves in this manner.

Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by themitigating on Monday March 27, 2023 @04:26PM (#35331975)
how is that corruption?
Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by pjc50 on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @04:33AM (#35337497)
There's a third outcome between "fully public" and "fully private" that's actually worse, which is "known to blackmailers".

That is, who's collecting kompromat on UK ministers, and for what purpose, and in exchange for what? (It's the press, isn't it)

Re:The chat control proposal does not belong in democratic s... by blitzar on Tuesday March 28, 2023 @06:12AM (#35338309)
> (It's the press, isn't it)

Yes. Once one meets a journalist or two, you become aware that every scandal that comes to light was known by everyone for a long time.

There is someone else, however, the Whip. While the end recipient would ultimatley be the press, the power they hold is by collecting up little secrets like which Prime Minister was having an affair with their Chancellor ...

https://www.politicalite.com/exclusive/dirty-dossier-full-li...