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Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by whats_a_quasar on Sunday March 26, 2023 @01:20PM (#35316945)
I will continue posting links to Jonathan Haidt's review docs all over this thread.

Social media and smartphones became widespread in the early 2010s, and that's exactly when teen suicides started rising. [1]

COVID does not appear to have significantly affected teen mental health [2]

If you have evidence that something else is driving the rise in teen suicide rates, I'd love to see it.

[1] https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-ill...

[2] https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/the-new-cdc-report

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by dragonwriter on Sunday March 26, 2023 @01:27PM (#35317023)
> Social media and smartphones became widespread in the early 2010s

Among adults (or in “household” surveys where adults were surveyed? Sure, but the majority of teen internet users were using “social networking sites” in 2006.) [0]

If your contention is that adult social media use is driving teen suicide rates…well, that’s actually more plausible than teen use, but none of the policy responses address that.

[0] https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2013/05/21/part-1-teens...

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by Scalestein on Sunday March 26, 2023 @01:54PM (#35317346)
It isn't just social media, it is the combination of social media and smartphones. This makes social media far more pervasive in a teen's life.

See section 6[0] where they discuss how mental health declines correlating with Facebook coming to college campuses and with high speed internet arriving in cities for some evidence.

[0] https://jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/social-media-mental-ill...

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by lolinder on Sunday March 26, 2023 @04:33PM (#35319257)
> the majority of teen internet users

This stat can't be meaningfully compared to teen suicide rates because the latter is across all teens, regardless of online/offline status. If the number of "online" teens grew dramatically between 2006 and 2013 (as I suspect it did), then the relative change in percentage of "online" teens on social media would be much smaller than the change in teens in general.

My personal experience growing up around then is that a majority of my peers weren't deep in social media and smartphone use until well into the 2010s. I didn't have a smartphone when I graduated high school in the early 2010s, and I certainly wasn't an outlier at the time.

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by Izkata on Sunday March 26, 2023 @01:45PM (#35317214)
I think they were referring to lockdowns, not covid. Kids weren't really affected by covid, but lockdowns and school closures were massive. To see if there was an effect on this from that you'd have to account for duration and severeness of lockdowns in various places, not look at overall rates.
Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by dragonwriter on Sunday March 26, 2023 @01:50PM (#35317287)
> I think they were referring to lockdowns, not covid.

Both were among (but not, even together, the totality of) the things I was referring to.

> Kids weren't really affected by covid

A massive wave of death, incapacitation, and serious illness that very likely struck sonewhete in their families? Kids may not have had particularly severe acute health cobsequences from COVID, but that doesn't mean they weren't affected by it.

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by whats_a_quasar on Sunday March 26, 2023 @01:55PM (#35317360)
The link I posted is data for the change in teen mental health between 2019 and 2021. The data incorporates all of the effects of COVID, Lockdowns and school closures, and does not show a significant change from pre-pandemic trends.

I was using "COVID" as a shorthand for all of the changes during the pandemic.

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by Izkata on Sunday March 26, 2023 @02:13PM (#35317554)
> The link I posted is data for the change in teen mental health between 2019 and 2021. The data incorporates all of the effects of COVID, Lockdowns and school closures

Yes, my point is that is exactly the problem with your data. It needs to be broken down by location to account for differences in lockdowns and school closures, to claim there was any or no effect.

Re:Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access by WarOnPrivacy on Sunday March 26, 2023 @05:46PM (#35319967)
> If you have evidence that something else is driving the rise in teen suicide rates, I'd love to see it.

Will reality do?

Over recent generations, kids have systematically been robbed of critical developmental environments - primarily they are denied regular hours of unsupervised alone/peer time and expansive areas to free range.

The environments that kids absolutely need to develop social and problem solving skills have been replaced with ceaseless supervision, ceaseless containment and a soundtrack of false messaging about risk from stranger kidnapping (spoiler: FBI stats are clear that kids aren't and haven't been at meaningful risk of stranger kidnappings). At the edges of all that are justice systems/LEO/authority that stand ever-ready to transform routine stupid transgressions into forever penalties that systemically ruin future life/job/housing opportunities.

We adults have erased their life prep and endlessly notched up pressure on every front. What else do we expect to follow that except poor mental health?

As for social media's part, one has to take a lot of nuance out of teen mental health studies to single out SM as the primary driver of bad mental health. ref: https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/21/blaming-social-media-for...